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District court declares Obama immigration action unconstitutional

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If it were the DC Court Obama might be in trouble. But, we'll have to keep and eye on it anyway.

Nope it was PA....But, I don't think this is going to go on without a fight.
 
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Nope it was PA....But, I don't think this is going to go on without a fight.


It will if Obama takes over the Judicial branch also. :lol:
 
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This is where we start saying "activist judge," right?

Yep, because equal treatment of the law is so unconstitutional. ;)
 
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This has confused me over the course of the day, but ... What was the judge even ruling on? There was no lawsuit of any kind against Obama's executive actions.
 
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I don't see this going anywhere. Its painfully obvious that the Judge abused his authority so he could throw his two-cents in on a completely unrelated issue from the case he was supposed to be deciding. Homeland Security told the Court that the defendant was unlawfully present in the United States and the defendant plead guilty to unlawful re-entry. He was ready to take his lumps and neither side said anything about this executive action until the Judge ordered the Government and Defendant's counsel to submit arguments about it and invited amicus briefs to do the same.

That is basically right. All the judge did was spout his views in a case that had nothing to do with the president's immigration reforms. He didn't stay or delay a thing, he couldn't as his case had nothing to do with what he spouted off at. It means nothing.
 
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This is where we start saying "activist judge," right?

An activist judge is a judge that rules against your political views, left, right doesn't matter.
 
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It will if Obama takes over the Judicial branch also. :lol:

That would be a sad day, but it is moving closer too.
 
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And constitutional chaos at it's finest. This is completely absurd. Not only is he basically trying to grant the executive branch more power than it already has, he's completely corrupting our checks & balances system. He's like an impulsive child not thinking about the consequences of his actions.

Or a wrong-wing liberal. Same trait. Bad actions, bad policies, with no regard to the obvious consequences.
 
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Or a wrong-wing liberal. Same trait. Bad actions, bad policies, with no regard to the obvious consequences.
I thought an impulsive child and a wrong-wing liberal were the same thing? I better hit the books.
 
That case isn't going anywhere. Its completely unrelated to the lawsuits challenging the executive action. This was just a judge who asserted his opinion on an issue completely unrelated to the case he was deciding.

I agree that it may be a tough decision, but bear in mind that this is a deeply Conservative SCOTUS that believes in a very strict interpretation of the Constitution. This lawsuit might possibly prevail.
 
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I thought an impulsive child and a wrong-wing liberal were the same thing? I better hit the books.

Not exactly. An impulsive child, with proper guidance, stands a good chance of growing up to be a responsible adult. A liberal is what you get when an impulsive child fails to grow into a responsible adult.
 
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I agree that it may be a tough decision, but bear in mind that this is a deeply Conservative SCOTUS that believes in a very strict interpretation of the Constitution. This lawsuit might possibly prevail.

Except when they don't, like with Obamacare.
 
Except when they don't, like with Obamacare.

Once again, I believe that Roberts will be the swing vote here, but understand, the premise is different with this case. Here they must decide if Obama, as head of the executive branch of government, is required to faithfully execute the laws of the land to the best of his ability.
 
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My Partisanship-as-an-ad hom-argument-ometer just broke.
 
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This has confused me over the course of the day, but ... What was the judge even ruling on?

The judge was presiding over a change-of-plea and sentencing hearing for an illegal immigrant who decided to plead guilty to unlawful re-entry.
 
Once again, I believe that Roberts will be the swing vote here, but understand, the premise is different with this case. Here they must decide if Obama, as head of the executive branch of government, is required to faithfully execute the laws of the land to the best of his ability.

He might have to throw Roberts a little extra money, but Obama will get er done, no doubt.
 
I agree that it may be a tough decision, but bear in mind that this is a deeply Conservative SCOTUS that believes in a very strict interpretation of the Constitution. This lawsuit might possibly prevail.

This wasn't a lawsuit. This was a judge overstepping his authority at a sentencing hearing to create an entirely new case out of thin air. I suspect thats how it will be treated.
 
This wasn't a lawsuit. This was a judge overstepping his authority at a sentencing hearing to create an entirely new case out of thin air. I suspect thats how it will be treated.

So Obama oversteps his authority, a judge supposedly oversteps his authority. Even Stevens.
 
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The judge was presiding over a change-of-plea and sentencing hearing for an illegal immigrant who decided to plead guilty to unlawful re-entry.
No really? ... What does that have anything to do with Obama?
 
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I dont know this judge's actions will be relevant but I am sure at some point this will all be reviewed.

One of the arguments I have seen is that the "amnesty executive order" cannot be reviewed, because there IS no "amnesty executive order". Obama signed a 'memo' giving DHS prosecutorial discretion and deferment action (http://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/14_1120_memo_deferred_action.pdf) but he has not issued an executive order targeting specific classes or groups of people to relieve them of deportation threat. In other words...he went before the nation, made claims that he knew he couldnt back. The pretty speeches made the illegal immigration crowd happy because it sounded like he was actually doing something. The reality is, those that he mentioned in his speech are no more protected today than they were yesterday, and when the next president takes office, it is all moot.

Regardless of whether or not you find the judge to be 'activist', you cannot deny the fact that his opinion is correct. Even if you dont think he has legal ground to make the decision (dont know...ask an appeals court judge) and if his opinion has no bearing, his opinion IS correct. The president cannot usurp law. The thing is...I dont see anything that indicates he actually did.
 
Once again, I believe that Roberts will be the swing vote here, but understand, the premise is different with this case. Here they must decide if Obama, as head of the executive branch of government, is required to faithfully execute the laws of the land to the best of his ability.

Well Obama has a defense, he's incompetent.
 
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This has confused me over the course of the day, but ... What was the judge even ruling on? There was no lawsuit of any kind against Obama's executive actions.
The suit he was deciding on involved prosecution and deportation of an illegal immigrant. A projected amnesty executive order WOULD bear on the case he was deciding on...if such order exists. Think of it along the lines of a judge deciding on a speeding ticket when the governor of a state has just declared there be no more enforcement of speeding tickets. He has to decide on the case at hand, but the governors action implies his decision would be moot.
 
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The suit he was deciding on involved prosecution and deportation of an illegal immigrant. A projected amnesty executive order WOULD bear on the case he was deciding on...if such order exists. Think of it along the lines of a judge deciding on a speeding ticket when the governor of a state has just declared there be no more enforcement of speeding tickets. He has to decide on the case at hand, but the governors action implies his decision would be moot.

I think a more apt comparison would be a judge demanding arguments assessing the constitutionality and application of gun control laws at the change of plea and sentencing hearing of a guy who wants to plead guilty to stealing a super-soaker.
 
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