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    Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    I thought Republicans were all in favour of supporting "our veterans". They certainly were quite vocal in their attacks on the failures of Obama's Veterans Affairs department. Why did Coburn do this - ego?

    Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Veterans groups blasted Oklahoma Sen. Tom Coburn Monday for blocking a bill intended to reduce a suicide epidemic that claims the lives of 22 military veterans every day.

    "This is why people hate Washington," said Paul Rieckhoff, CEO and founder of Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, an advocacy group.

    Rieckhoff accused Coburn of single-handedly blocking a bill that could save the lives of thousands of veterans.

    Coburn, a Republican, is retiring after 10 years in the Senate. In a floor speech Monday night, he defended his actions, saying the bill would not accomplish its stated goal and duplicates programs that already exist.
    The Republican-controlled House passed the bill but the rather complex and esoteric rules of the Senate allow a single Senator to derail a popular measure.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Coburn, a Republican, is retiring after 10 years in the Senate. In a floor speech Monday night, he defended his actions, saying the bill would not accomplish its stated goal and duplicates programs that already exist.

    It seems he answered your question before you asked.

    Enjoy

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    It seems he answered your question before you asked.

    Enjoy

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    Well, if Coburn says it, it must be true.

    After all, politicians don't lie.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    By all means, lets pass bills because of their titles.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    From the OP article:

    The bill would require the Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Department to submit to independent reviews of their suicide prevention programs. It also would establish a website to provide information on mental health services available to veterans, offer financial incentives to psychiatrists who agree to work for the VA and create a pilot program to assist veterans transitioning from active duty to veteran status.
    I think it's important for people to consider what this bill would do as emphasized by the section in bold:

    * Link transitioning veterans to mental health services and information
    * Provided funding incentives to mental health practitioners (so that returning veterans can afford needed care; Remember: The VA is having a difficult time keeping up with mental health treatment of our returning veterans. So, why not allow them to seek care in the private health arena?)
    * Assist active duty "combat" veterans w/transitioning back to civilian life

    The only folks who aren't for such a bill with these provisions are those who stonewall for political reasons. So, I would ask Sen. Coburn, "What exactly would you like the bill to address along the lines of military service member suicide prevention?"
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    It seems he answered your question before you asked.

    Enjoy

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    What does the Senator propose stopping the 22 suicides of veterans every day? Isn't Coburn a Doctor?


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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    The bill would require the Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Department to submit to independent reviews of their suicide prevention programs. It also would establish a website to provide information on mental health services available to veterans, offer financial incentives to psychiatrists who agree to work for the VA and create a pilot program to assist veterans transitioning from active duty to veteran status.....snip~

    One would think that an established website would be providing information on mental health services available to Veterans already.....huh?

    Did they get any info on the pilot program in place that assists veterans transitioning from active duty to veteran status? Any type of numbers or feedback?

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Well, if Coburn says it, it must be true.

    After all, politicians don't lie.
    Generally, his reputation as a straight shooter is sincere and usually accurate; much like the late Wisconsin Dem. Sen. William Proxmire.

    Since he's retiring, there is no need for pandering for the sake of pandering.

    Also, something we all should pay more attention to is the frequency of different and dis-associated additions to wonderful, cozy, and warm Bill Titles; when it seems those titles are a smoke screen for hiding other purposes.

    Jus' thinkin'

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    From the OP article:



    I think it's important for people to consider what this bill would do as emphasized by the section in bold:

    * Link transitioning veterans to mental health services and information
    * Provided funding incentives to mental health practitioners (so that returning veterans can afford needed care; Remember: The VA is having a difficult time keeping up with mental health treatment of our returning veterans. So, why not allow them to seek care in the private health arena?)
    * Assist active duty "combat" veterans w/transitioning back to civilian life

    The only folks who aren't for such a bill with these provisions are those who stonewall for political reasons. So, I would ask Sen. Coburn, "What exactly would you like the bill to address along the lines of military service member suicide prevention?"
    From your emphasis ( bolded items ) it does appear to duplicate existing services.... how many of the same services should we add ? How about improving the ones in existence?

    Seem reasonable ?

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    What does the Senator propose stopping the 22 suicides of veterans every day? Isn't Coburn a Doctor?
    Programs are already in place.... if they do not have satisfactory results yet, why would a duplicate program be better ?

    Jus' wondering

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