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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Then why did the GOP House pass the bill to prevent Veteran suicides ?
    You're asking the wrong person.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    Then why did the GOP House pass the bill to prevent Veteran suicides ?
    Because just as the OP of this thread proves, most only read a headline.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    I dont know the specifics regarding this bill. But personally i felt insulted when i returned home from iraq and everyone wanted to treat me like i was crazy and all this "transition" sessions and what not.

    Let me state, if you treat soldiers crazy, some will believe they are crazy.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., called the bill a targeted measure that would help ensure that programs to prevent veterans' suicide work as expected.

    The bill would require the Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Department to submit to independent reviews of their suicide prevention programs. It also would establish a website to provide information on mental health services available to veterans, offer financial incentives to psychiatrists who agree to work for the VA and create a pilot program to assist veterans transitioning from active duty to veteran status.


    We need bills to ensure that the government agencies do their jobs now?
    I believe that the existing programs need oversight, and not just mental health. The VA killed one of my best friends, and fellow musician. And, besides, nothing is too good for those who have fought for our country. I am for the bill.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    So you need a bill passed to update a website? For the VA to do outreach for veterans with mental health issues? If so, it further affirms Coburn's position. If this legislation is truly necessary, than the problem isn't opposition to the bill, the problem is the VA. There is nothing in this bill that would actually address the actual problem then either.
    So, I'll ask you the same thing I would ask Sen. Colburn:

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Fair enough, but if that's the case why doesn't Sen. Colburn identify what those duplicate services are, the agencies that provide identical services and present a new/revised bill that would streamline the process?
    If the VA isn't doing outreach programs currently to reach veterans in need of mental health services, doesn't it make sense that they start?

    If the VA doesn't have enough psychiatrists and it's not projected that they'll hire enough to handle the influx of returning combat veterans diagnosed with PTSD, doesn't it make sense to all the VA to contract mental health services to private doctors?

    But beyond all this, I'd really like to know what you think is "the actual problem" with the VA were mental health services is concerned?
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    I can't defend what any politician does not do; Your questioning him not identifying shortcomings may point to an indictment of us, the voters, who should be paying closer attention to our hopefully minimal needs from the Fed gov. i.e maybe we as individuals should know more specifics about many things before we decide a politico voted rightly or wrongly.

    It's becoming more apparent that no matter political lean we should each step away from the painting and take in the entire picture before zeroing in on specifics that must be accomplished.

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    Very well then. I'll ask you the same question:

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    What you think is "the actual problem" with the VA were mental health services is concerned?
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Do we believe that the people in Washington don't have any idea what the VA and Pentagon don't currently do?

    And what he did was because he wanted to reduce the size of government. He's been identifying and fighting against redundancies in government for years. It's because of him the GAO now has to report annually and everyone sees where the redundancies are.

    He also objected to the cost of the bill not being offset elsewhere.

    If the Pentagon and the VA aren't working efficiently today, perhaps there is a better way to fix them without tossing millions of dollars at them?
    So, what do you suggest be done to improve efficiency between both Departments and provide needed services to post-war veterans with mental health disorders who can't received adequate care at the VA in a timely manner?

    What's your solution to these problems other than defending the politician who advocates for limited government or criticizing the poster who views his stance as obstructionist?
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by soot View Post
    70% of veteran suicides are committed by veterans age 50 and older and 85% by veterans age 40 and older.

    Either we're talking about recently separated men (predominantly men, 97%) who have served long enough (at least more than one enlistment and have attained at least junior to mid NCO rank) to know what kind of benefits are available to them post service or, more likely, we're talking predominantly about Vietnam and Cold War Era vets who have been out of the service for decades.

    Either way, pumping more money into providing more services to single-enlistment, lower enlisted servicemembers who have recently separated isn't a rational use of money if addressing the "veteran suicide epidemic" is your stated goal.

    I don't know what would be a good use of the money, but this isn't it.

    It's all feel good and ****, I mean, Americans love veterans these days almost as much as they love puppies, but it's pandering.
    Got a link to that stat? (Just curious at how accurate you are in your position here.)
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Very well then. I'll ask you the same question:
    As with possibly millions of others with no direct experience in this matter I really do not know ... but I may in the future, through investigation, learn; I never rely on politicians for the straight forward answer to anything. I do my own research .. gotta' keep those politicos honest.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Got a link to that stat? (Just curious at how accurate you are in your position here.)
    Sure. The figures I used are from the most recent (2012) VA study on veteran suicide.

    http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...,d.cWc&cad=rja

    There's a little bit of, maybe call it, "controversy" surrounding those (or any) figures related to veteran suicide because they all rely on self-reporting of veteran status. Nobody actually goes back and vets a guy's claim of veteran status against DOD records, so as long as a claim of being a veteran is made it's accepted.

    Consequently, there are almost certainly some phonies lumped in there, but nobody really knows how many, or how such claims skew the issue.
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