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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Fair enough, but if that's the case why doesn't Sen. Colburn identify what those duplicate services are, the agencies that provide identical services and present a new/revised bill that would streamline the process? Seems to me he's quick to claim "duplication of effort" and is satisfied with stopping there instead of going further to "reduce the size of government" or provide the "limited government" he and others claim to stand for.

    It's easy to stonewall on legislation; it's difficult to show the courage or the ability to govern.
    Do we believe that the people in Washington don't have any idea what the VA and Pentagon don't currently do?

    And what he did was because he wanted to reduce the size of government. He's been identifying and fighting against redundancies in government for years. It's because of him the GAO now has to report annually and everyone sees where the redundancies are.

    He also objected to the cost of the bill not being offset elsewhere.

    If the Pentagon and the VA aren't working efficiently today, perhaps there is a better way to fix them without tossing millions of dollars at them?
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Not sure how a new website or reports to Congress would expedite anything. Problem is the actual VA and how its managed. We're coming up on a year since the VA scandal broke, when they demonstrate they're holding VA personnel accountable and attempting to clean the damn system up, I'll support further expansion. But throwing more money at a system with no accountability nor real incentive to improve doesn't help anyone, least of all....veterans.
    I think that is more for accountability. But what is most important is the bill would fund more psychiatrists working for the VA. That will reduce wait times.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    I am not sure I believe Coburn that these programs are duplicates of existing legislation; they may be, on the other hand they may not be. You have to also consider his own party in the House approved of the legislation. He also fancies himself as a bugdet cutter
    .... see post #20

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I think that is more for accountability. But what is most important is the bill would fund more psychiatrists working for the VA. That will reduce wait times.
    Then they should figure out how much the additional psychiatrists would cost them and appropriate those funds. I doubt that makes up the bulk of the $22 million.

    From what I can see, Coburn was right to do what he did. It needs fixing, and this bill wasn't it.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I think that is more for accountability. But what is most important is the bill would fund more psychiatrists working for the VA. That will reduce wait times.
    It doesn't actually fund more psychiatrists. It funds a student loan payback program for new hires.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Then they should figure out how much the additional psychiatrists would cost them and appropriate those funds. I doubt that makes up the bulk of the $22 million.

    From what I can see, Coburn was right to do what he did. It needs fixing, and this bill wasn't it.
    Well, I look forward to seeing Senator Coburn sponsor a new and improved bill. He is an MD so it should be somewhat up his alley.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I think that is more for accountability. But what is most important is the bill would fund more psychiatrists working for the VA. That will reduce wait times.

    Based on your previous statements that would be a great positive ... though as with many things with the gov; it gives me pause... why not increase the existing budget specifically for that purpose?

    Maybe there could be a Vet's vocal movement to that end. is there any... oh BS.... sure there is .. the Military don't quit, they adapt and get it done.

    There is food for thought in this situation

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Well, I look forward to seeing Senator Coburn sponsor a new and improved bill. He is an MD so it should be somewhat up his alley.
    I wouldn't hold your breath. He's retiring.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    * Link transitioning veterans to mental health services and information
    * Provided funding incentives to mental health practitioners (so that returning veterans can afford needed care; Remember: The VA is having a difficult time keeping up with mental health treatment of our returning veterans. So, why not allow them to seek care in the private health arena?)
    * Assist active duty "combat" veterans w/transitioning back to civilian life
    70% of veteran suicides are committed by veterans age 50 and older and 85% by veterans age 40 and older.

    Either we're talking about recently separated men (predominantly men, 97%) who have served long enough (at least more than one enlistment and have attained at least junior to mid NCO rank) to know what kind of benefits are available to them post service or, more likely, we're talking predominantly about Vietnam and Cold War Era vets who have been out of the service for decades.

    Either way, pumping more money into providing more services to single-enlistment, lower enlisted servicemembers who have recently separated isn't a rational use of money if addressing the "veteran suicide epidemic" is your stated goal.

    I don't know what would be a good use of the money, but this isn't it.

    It's all feel good and ****, I mean, Americans love veterans these days almost as much as they love puppies, but it's pandering.
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Then why did the GOP House pass the bill to prevent Veteran suicides ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    It seems he answered your question before you asked.

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