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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Not sure why a new website is necessary, google....its free.

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    Instead of passing the $22 million bill, Coburn said lawmakers should hold the Department of Veterans Affairs accountable for frequently failing to serve veterans.
    Think Coburn actually got this one right. How many VA officials have been fired for the waiting list shenanigans so far?

    There are plenty of resources available, would like some evidence that this new website and independent review would actually have some impact on veteran suicides. Frankly, the only thing of consequence in the bill is requiring the VA to do more outreach which is pretty much what is mostly needed to address this problem. The rest of this bill is just fluff.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/5059/text

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Not sure why a new website is necessary, google....its free.

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    Think Coburn actually got this one right. How many VA officials have been fired for the waiting list shenanigans so far?

    There are plenty of resources available, would like some evidence that this new website and independent review would actually have some impact on veteran suicides. Frankly, the only thing of consequence in the bill is requiring the VA to do more outreach which is pretty much what is mostly needed to address this problem. The rest of this bill is just fluff.

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/5059/text


    Heya Fishstyx. Coburn also stated he was going to filibuster NDAA too.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    I recently retired and even when I was active duty it took me a month to get in and see a psychiatrist. Anything that can expedite that process is great.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., called the bill a targeted measure that would help ensure that programs to prevent veterans' suicide work as expected.

    The bill would require the Pentagon and Veterans Affairs Department to submit to independent reviews of their suicide prevention programs. It also would establish a website to provide information on mental health services available to veterans, offer financial incentives to psychiatrists who agree to work for the VA and create a pilot program to assist veterans transitioning from active duty to veteran status.


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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    From your emphasis ( bolded items ) it does appear to duplicate existing services.... how many of the same services should we add ? How about improving the ones in existence?

    Seem reasonable ?

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    Fair enough, but if that's the case why doesn't Sen. Colburn identify what those duplicate services are, the agencies that provide identical services and present a new/revised bill that would streamline the process? Seems to me he's quick to claim "duplication of effort" and is satisfied with stopping there instead of going further to "reduce the size of government" or provide the "limited government" he and others claim to stand for.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Thom Paine View Post
    Programs are already in place.... if they do not have satisfactory results yet, why would a duplicate program be better ?

    Jus' wondering

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    I am not sure I believe Coburn that these programs are duplicates of existing legislation; they may be, on the other hand they may not be. You have to also consider his own party in the House approved of the legislation. He also fancies himself as a bugdet cutter


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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    I recently retired and even when I was active duty it took me a month to get in and see a psychiatrist. Anything that can expedite that process is great.
    Not sure how a new website or reports to Congress would expedite anything. Problem is the actual VA and how its managed. We're coming up on a year since the VA scandal broke, when they demonstrate they're holding VA personnel accountable and attempting to clean the damn system up, I'll support further expansion. But throwing more money at a system with no accountability nor real incentive to improve doesn't help anyone, least of all....veterans.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Fishstyx View Post
    Not sure why a new website is necessary, google....its free.

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    According to the bill, the websites would only be those mental health programs the Sec. of VA controls internally or subcontracts. Per Section 3(a) of the bill:

    (a) In General.--Using funds made available to the Secretary of Veterans Affairs to publish the Internet websites of the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Secretary shall survey the existing Internet websites and information resources of the Department to publish an Internet website that serves as a centralized source to provide veterans with information regarding all of the mental health care services provided by the Secretary.
    (b) Elements.--The Internet website published under subsection (a) shall provide to veterans information regarding all of the mental
    health care services available in the Veteran Integrated Service Network that the veteran is seeking such services, including, with
    respect to each medical center, Vet Center (as defined in section 1712A of title 38, United States Code), and community-based outpatient center in the Veterans Integrated Service Network--
    To that, the two links you've provided would be appropriately monitored and upgraded accordingly on an annual basis.

    Think Coburn actually got this one right. How many VA officials have been fired for the waiting list shenanigans so far?

    There are plenty of resources available, would like some evidence that this new website and independent review would actually have some impact on veteran suicides.
    Again, according to the bill the websites wouldn't necessarily be "new", just the information and/or mental health resources outlined therein would be updated annually not later than Dec 1 beginning in 2015.

    Frankly, the only thing of consequence in the bill is requiring the VA to do more outreach which is pretty much what is mostly needed to address this problem.
    This I would agree.

    Link to bill re-posted FYI....https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/5059/text[/QUOTE]
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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    According to the bill, the websites would only be those mental health programs the Sec. of VA controls internally or subcontracts. Per Section 3(a) of the bill:



    To that, the two links you've provided would be appropriately monitored and upgraded accordingly on an annual basis.



    Again, according to the bill the websites wouldn't necessarily be "new", just the information and/or mental health resources outlined therein would be updated annually not later than Dec 1 beginning in 2015.



    This I would agree.

    Link to bill re-posted FYI....https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/5059/text
    So you need a bill passed to update a website? For the VA to do outreach for veterans with mental health issues? If so, it further affirms Coburn's position. If this legislation is truly necessary, than the problem isn't opposition to the bill, the problem is the VA. There is nothing in this bill that would actually address the actual problem then either.

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    Re: Coburn Blocks Bill on Veterans' Suicide Prevention

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Fair enough, but if that's the case why doesn't Sen. Colburn identify what those duplicate services are, the agencies that provide identical services and present a new/revised bill that would streamline the process? Seems to me he's quick to claim "duplication of effort" and is satisfied with stopping there instead of going further to "reduce the size of government" or provide the "limited government" he and others claim to stand for.

    It's easy to stonewall on legislation; it's difficult to show the courage or the ability to govern.
    I can't defend what any politician does not do; Your questioning him not identifying shortcomings may point to an indictment of us, the voters, who should be paying closer attention to our hopefully minimal needs from the Fed gov. i.e maybe we as individuals should know more specifics about many things before we decide a politico voted rightly or wrongly.

    It's becoming more apparent that no matter political lean we should each step away from the painting and take in the entire picture before zeroing in on specifics that must be accomplished.

    my 2 cents

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