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Gaius46 said:
So if I'm wrong what is your logic?
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You are inventing what ifs and expecting me to respond? Discuss the topic in real terms and I dont mind getting involved but otherwise it holds no interest for me.
 
Gaius46 said:
It can not happen in the United States. I suspect it can't in the EU countries either.

I'm guessing what you're seeing is nothing more than the pains of integrating a different culture into European societies We've done it several times in our history. It's a long term good thing despite the growing pains.
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Why do you say it can't happen? Of course it can happen. I'm not saying it will happen, but it would not be the first nation to reverse course. Including once a couple of hundred years ago in the US.
 
CRUE CAB said:
The sharia bill calls for Islamic blasphemy laws — the criminalization of speech that offends or insults — who, exactly? Well, that is up to the enforcer, is it not? - See more at: Sharia in America: Democrats and Muslim Legislators seek to criminalize free speech | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
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And Geller is right. These 'hate speech' laws have been used by Muslim groups everywhere so that any criticism pf Islam or Shariah law will be defined, by them, as "Hate Speech". The accused can be tied up in courts for years defending themselves from these charges, which pretty much silences criticism of any aspect of Islam.

Those pushing the law have to know this, which will make the process quite interesting. I doubt it will ever pass.
 
CRUE CAB said:
The sharia bill calls for Islamic blasphemy laws — the criminalization of speech that offends or insults — who, exactly? Well, that is up to the enforcer, is it not? - See more at: Sharia in America: Democrats and Muslim Legislators seek to criminalize free speech | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
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No it doesnt. It calls on the NTIA to update a report from 1993. "To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes."
 
CRUE CAB said:
The sharia bill calls for Islamic blasphemy laws — the criminalization of speech that offends or insults — who, exactly? Well, that is up to the enforcer, is it not? - See more at: Sharia in America: Democrats and Muslim Legislators seek to criminalize free speech | Pamela Geller, Atlas Shrugs
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It does no such thing. First it deals with hate crime - not hate speech. Second it mandates and ALREADY EXISTING report with more current information.

Here is the entire text of the bill. Read it yourself - and not getting your information second hand from Pamela Geller who apparently doesn't know how to read - and then tell me again what it has to do with Sharia law.



113th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2219

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 8, 2014

Mr. Markey introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation

A BILL

To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes.


1. Short title

This Act may be cited as the " Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 ".


2. Report

Section 155 of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration Organization Act (enacted as section 135 of Public Law 102–538 ; 106 Stat. 3542) is amended to read as follows:
155.

Report on the role of telecommunications in hate crimes
(a) Report required

Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of the Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 , the NTIA, with the assistance of the Department of Justice, the Commission, and the United States Commission on Civil Rights, shall submit a report to the Committee on Energy and Commerce and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate on the role of telecommunications in hate crimes in accordance with subsection (b).

(b) Scope of report


The report required under subsection (a) shall—

(1) analyze information on the use of telecommunications, including the Internet, broadcast television and radio, cable television, public access television, commercial mobile services, and other electronic media, to advocate and encourage violent acts and the commission of crimes of hate, as described in the Hate Crime Statistics Act ( 28 U.S.C. 534 note);

(2) include any recommendations, consistent with the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, that the NTIA determines are appropriate and necessary to address the use of telecommunications described in paragraph (1); and

(3) update the previous report submitted under this section (as in effect before the date of enactment of the Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 )
 
Gaius46 said:
It does no such thing. First it deals with hate crime - not hate speech. Second it mandates and ALREADY EXISTING report with more current information.

Here is the entire text of the bill. Read it yourself - and not getting your information second hand from Pamela Geller who apparently doesn't know how to read - and then tell me again what it has to do with Sharia law.



113th CONGRESS

2d Session

S. 2219

IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES

April 8, 2014

Mr. Markey introduced the following bill; which was read twice and referred to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation

A BILL

To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes.


1. Short title

This Act may be cited as the " Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 ".


2. Report

Section 155 of the National Telecommunications and Information Administration Organization Act (enacted as section 135 of Public Law 102–538 ; 106 Stat. 3542) is amended to read as follows:
155.

Report on the role of telecommunications in hate crimes
(a) Report required

Not later than 1 year after the date of enactment of the Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 , the NTIA, with the assistance of the Department of Justice, the Commission, and the United States Commission on Civil Rights, shall submit a report to the Committee on Energy and Commerce and the Committee on the Judiciary of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation and the Committee on the Judiciary of the Senate on the role of telecommunications in hate crimes in accordance with subsection (b).

(b) Scope of report


The report required under subsection (a) shall—

(1) analyze information on the use of telecommunications, including the Internet, broadcast television and radio, cable television, public access television, commercial mobile services, and other electronic media, to advocate and encourage violent acts and the commission of crimes of hate, as described in the Hate Crime Statistics Act ( 28 U.S.C. 534 note);

(2) include any recommendations, consistent with the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States, that the NTIA determines are appropriate and necessary to address the use of telecommunications described in paragraph (1); and

(3) update the previous report submitted under this section (as in effect before the date of enactment of the Hate Crime Reporting Act of 2014 )
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You can scream that you wish to stay blind and deaf to attempts to bring Muslim law to the US, but give it time.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
No it doesnt. It calls on the NTIA to update a report from 1993. "To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes."
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Again, limiting speech. Clear 1st amendment attack.
 
Grant said:
And Geller is right. These 'hate speech' laws have been used by Muslim groups everywhere so that any criticism pf Islam or Shariah law will be defined, by them, as "Hate Speech". The accused can be tied up in courts for years defending themselves from these charges, which pretty much silences criticism of any aspect of Islam.

Those pushing the law have to know this, which will make the process quite interesting. I doubt it will ever pass.
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Passing is not the first priority. They are doing this to find the cracks in the system.
 
Grant said:
You are inventing what ifs and expecting me to respond? Discuss the topic in real terms and I dont mind getting involved but otherwise it holds no interest for me.
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Grant said:
They don't have to be members of ISIS in order to be influenced by ISIS. How do you think ISIS is recruiting Muslim men from around the world?
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That is functionally equivalent to my statements. If mine are nonsense - and they are - so is this.
 
CRUE CAB said:
You can scream that you wish to stay blind and deaf to attempts to bring Muslim law to the US, but give it time.
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Who's screaming? What Geller is saying is simply not supported by the text of the legislation she's complaining about. If you want to get all riled up over someone else's stupidity have at it.
 
CRUE CAB said:
To do what?
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For now the 4th time: "To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes."

i have a feeling you havent read this bill and are giving this ****ing crazy woman 100% of your trust.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
For now the 4th time: "To require the National Telecommunications and Information Administration to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes."

i have a feeling you havent read this bill and are giving this ****ing crazy woman 100% of your trust.
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I trust nothing 100%. But where there is smoke there is fire.
 
Grant said:
And what is the point of this study? Why bother?
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Now lets go back to the bill, not some nutty, tin foil hat woman: "to update a report on the role of telecommunications, including the Internet, in the commission of hate crimes."
 
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