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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So then CNN lied when it said she believes her son was "lynched". And she didn't really mean it when she said "He didn't do this to himself". And CNN lied when they said "Immediately, Lacy believed her son's death was the result of some foul play".

    Okay. No wonder this thread is a bust. Nobody can even keep the story straight.
    I quoted her. Believe what you want.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Then they did not lynch him.

    You can't go to court over a personal offence that isn't considered a crime in the eyes of the law.

    That is the basis behind a lynching, that a person is charged/accused of a legal crime, but is not given a trial to prove that he is innocent, rather, he is simply executed right away.

    The situation your referring to is just plain old murder.
    I quoted the law in S.C. and you're just wrong. The motive can be anything a mob can come up with. A lynching at least in S.C. requires ONLY 3 things:

    1) Mob (two or more people)
    2) Violence
    3) Leading to death.

    So if, say, a gay person moves in next door, and the neighbors gather one evening and decide to drag him out of his house and hang him from the nearest tree, that is a lynching. Why the mob decided to do that doesn't matter in the slightest.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    yep, not to mention the reality is that while hanging and lynching was popular in the slave days and extreme racist days of this country the term lynching actually has nothing to do with race lol

    it comes from "lynch mob" and wild west days where vigilant hangings took place, not race. So the assumption that the word is used based on race is a personal subjective one and has nothing to do with the word lynch
    It comes from a guy named "Lynch" in Virginia or W. Virginia who was a self appointed judge in his town during the Revolutionary War who went out with groups of people, "mobs", convicting Loyalists, "Tories", before, during, and after the Revolutionary War.

    The Original Lynch Mob

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I quoted the law in S.C. and you're just wrong. The motive can be anything a mob can come up with. A lynching at least in S.C. requires ONLY 3 things:

    1) Mob (two or more people)
    2) Violence
    3) Leading to death.

    So if, say, a gay person moves in next door, and the neighbors gather one evening and decide to drag him out of his house and hang him from the nearest tree, that is a lynching. Why the mob decided to do that doesn't matter in the slightest.
    One law in one state hardly disproves my point.

    Hey, gay marriage is illegal in at least one state, therefor it is right and should be illegal in all states.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Uh huh, and here is the definition from the Merriam Webster dictionary.

    "to kill (someone) illegally as punishment for a crime"

    "to put to death (as by hanging) by mob action without legal sanction"

    Lynch - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

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    From the OXFORD DICTIONARIES

    "(Of a group of people) kill (someone) for an alleged offence without a legal trial, especially by hanging"

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    None of your definitions refute my point that it must be someone being accused of a crime to be a lynching. The whole point of a lynching that I made was that the person was ACCUSED of a crime and was not given DUE PROCESS.

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    Apparently you were incapable of reading the key word in my original definition of lynch "ACCUSED of a crime"
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggen View Post
    So you decline to answer the question. Got it.


    Did a bunch of you guys go to 'Really Really Bad Debate Skills 101' together?

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    In the minds of some bigots, simply being black is a crime in of itself.
    And that certainly sucks, but it's not lynching.

    Now, the bigots can all kill a black guy without trial and say "well he raped a white woman" or "a white woman said he raped her" and bam now it's a lynching.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Before everyone gets all foamy about racism and race and lynching and the KKK and revisiting the civil war....

    shouldnt there be some sort of determination that an actual crime was committed?
    A person is found dead and there are many questions surrounding the circumstance of his demise?

    Something about this death is seriously wrong.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    One law in one state hardly disproves my point.

    Hey, gay marriage is illegal in at least one state, therefor it is right and should be illegal in all states.
    You've hilariously dug yourself into a deep hole and keep on digging.

    Here's Virginia: https://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/leg...00+cod+18.2-39

    18.2-39. "Lynching" defined.

    Any act of violence by a mob upon the body of any person, which shall result in the death of such person, shall constitute a "lynching."
    Here's the text of a Federal anti-lynching bill that passed the House three times in the 20s: "Anti-Lynching Bill," 1918

    Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled, That the phrase "mob or riotous assemblage," when used in this act, shall mean an assemblage composed of three or more persons acting in concert for the purpose of depriving any person of his life without authority of law as a punishment for or to prevent the commission of some actual or supposed public offense.
    Public offense is awfully broad - in that era, it might include a black man kissing a white woman, or any other reason a mob can think of to kill another person. There is certainly no reference to your made up definition.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    And that certainly sucks, but it's not lynching.

    Now, the bigots can all kill a black guy without trial and say "well he raped a white woman" or "a white woman said he raped her" and bam now it's a lynching.
    Clearly in the 1920s, it didn't have to be a rape, could be enough that he held hands or went on a date with a white woman, or didn't show a white man proper respect, or was uppity, etc. Any reason a mob can come up with to kill a person works for it being a lynching. Mob, violence, death = lynching.

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