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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I'm not guessing at what happened, I am simply calling out those who think they know more than they actually do.
    Okee dokee. But this place would die quickly if we were limited to talking about things we're fully informed about...

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Also from the OP, and quoted directly in that post:

    Claudia Lacy says she can accept anything: even that her youngest son committed suicide -- if it's proven and explained to her.However, she says, local and state investigators have done neither to support their theory that Lennon Lacy hanged himself one summer night."That's all I've ever asked for: what is due, owed rightfully to me and my family -- justice. Prove to me what happened to my child,"

    But if you want to assert the mother believes a crime was probable - fine. Don't care enough to debate fine points of her position.
    So then CNN lied when it said she believes her son was "lynched". And she didn't really mean it when she said "He didn't do this to himself". And CNN lied when they said "Immediately, Lacy believed her son's death was the result of some foul play".

    Okay. No wonder this thread is a bust. Nobody can even keep the story straight.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Eh, not always. I agree with the rest but Emmett Till wasn't lynched for committing a "legal crime". He flirted with a white woman. That wasn't a crime. The people who lynched him just thought it was a personal offense (which is why I specifically referenced it in my post). The rest you're right about, but lynchings are about a perceived offence. Whether that offense is a crime or moral offense is another topic but lynchings didn't always occur because a crime was thought to have occurred. They happened when a group of people felt an offense of some sort had been committed.
    Then they did not lynch him.

    You can't go to court over a personal offence that isn't considered a crime in the eyes of the law.

    That is the basis behind a lynching, that a person is charged/accused of a legal crime, but is not given a trial to prove that he is innocent, rather, he is simply executed right away.

    The situation your referring to is just plain old murder.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Okee dokee. But this place would die quickly if we were limited to talking about things we're fully informed about...
    A lot cleaner, anyway.
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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Hanlon's Razor (variation attributed to Einstein) - "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice."

    From what I've read the mother isn't buying the suicide story in large part because the official account makes no sense, and because the police did an apparently poor job of investigating. Seems she's being pretty rational, and from what I've read just wants a competent investigation that explains some of what appears unexplainable at this point.

    BTW, this happened in N.C. and I couldn't locate their definition of the crime of lynching, but here's how S.C. law describes the act: https://web.archive.org/web/20070626...DE/t16c003.htm

    Doesn't appear it matters at all why the mob engaged in the act.... So, if "two or more people" decided to kill the guy because they didn't like the shoes he was wearing (pick any reason, or no reason), it's a lynching in S.C. at least.
    That's an interesting rule and all, but I don't see any compelling reason why positing stupidity is any better than positing malice, particularly given American's history of police covering up the hanging of Black men by White people. I'm going to stick with positing malice.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    How many lynchings of men have we seen in the south this year?
    You're hilarious - I guess you're assuming when the poster said "would hardly be the first" that he implied "this year."

    I look forward to all the threads on suicide/homicide going forward. I think.
    I'm not sure what is odd about discussing this - the situation is extremely unusual, with as you admit lots of very curious, unanswered questions. And I'm not surprised you'd look forward to more thread like it since you've participated in this one and not many others you could have chosen this morning. Something about it draws your attention like the rest of us.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Is this where we ignore the fact that there's a 90% chance that the murderer--if it's actually a murser--is black?
    I don't imagine it matters to this mother if her son's killer was black, white or some other color.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    I don't imagine it matters to this mother if her son's killer was black, white or some other color.
    Exactly, so why bring the KKK into the discussion as evidence of...something?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by Luftwaffe View Post
    Then they did not lynch him.

    You can't go to court over a personal offence that isn't considered a crime in the eyes of the law.

    That is the basis behind a lynching, that a person is charged/accused of a legal crime, but is not given a trial to prove that he is innocent, rather, he is simply executed right away.

    The situation your referring to is just plain old murder.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: N.C. teen's hanging death ruled a suicide; mother says it was a lynching

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Yeah, and you just call foul play and link to an arcticle suggesting it was a lynching ... but you take no real stand on the matter. Pull the other one.
    making stuff up and using failed strawmen wont change the fact your assumption was wrong lol
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