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84 children killed as Taliban storm school [W:171]

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At least 84 people, most of them children, have been killed after a group of gunmen stormed an army-run school in the Pakistani city of Peshawar.

The Pakistan Taliban -- Tehreek e Taliban Pakistan (TTP) -- claimed responsibility for the attack Tuesday.

Pervez Khattak, chief minister of the northwestern province of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, said over 80 of the injured are children ranging from 12 to 16 years of age. He added that two of the attackers are now dead -- one blew himself up, while the other was killed by security forces.

Earlier, Shahram Khan, the province's health minister, told CNN that two teachers and an army official had also been killed, while 104 more were wounded.

The Pakistan military said a rescue operation involving its troops is currently underway at the school, with gunfire still being exchanged.

Khattak said there was an "ongoing hostage situation."

Pakistan school attack kills at least 84, mostly kids - CNN.com

*At least 100 people, 80 of them children, have been killed in a Taliban assault on an army-run school in Peshawar, Pakistani officials say.

BBC News - Pakistan Taliban kill scores in Peshawar school massacre

Pakistan has pretty much over the years granted the Taliban a safe haven in their country. So this doesn't surprise me.
 
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Struck a nerve eh? Good.

You've hardly sparked any reaction from me other than a sigh. If there's any reaction to be had in this thread it is shock or horror to the OP.

But I take it dead children don't matter to you?
 
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You've hardly sparked any reaction from me other than a sigh. If there's any reaction to be had in this thread it is shock or horror to the OP.

But I take it dead children don't matter to you?

A sigh? Yeah right, that's why you're responding to my posts.

Of course dead children matter to me, all dead children. Are you "pro-choice"? :roll:
 
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He is completely wrong. He did not specifically say Islam. What part of that are you missing? He said religion in general which is nothing but an untrue blanket statement, period.

But it is not wrong, all we are talking about is adversarial severity. Islam is willing to kill kids over the matter, as we have seen in the Taiban (and other groups) killing kids at a school. Other religions are not likely to do all this (granted today's attitudes in some religions are vastly different than their history.) While it does not involve killing anyone, we have plenty in the US that suggests religion is adversarial to education. Just at a high level and as one example, that is the root of the evolution vs. creationism debate.
 
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A sigh? Yeah right, that's why you're responding to my posts.

A response to a post hardly means anything. Flies are insignificant too but we still swat them.

Of course dead children matter to me, all dead children. Are you "pro-choice"? :roll:

I am Pro-choice, but that hardly matters in light of the 80 children that were recently gunned down. Quit trying to divert the topic, because at this point it is becoming quite obvious that you don't care about a single one of these children, ding dong.
 
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But it is not wrong, all we are talking about is adversarial severity. Islam is willing to kill kids over the matter, as we have seen in the Taiban (and other groups) killing kids at a school. Other religions are not likely to do all this (granted today's attitudes in some religions are vastly different than their history.) While it does not involve killing anyone, we have plenty in the US that suggests religion is adversarial to education. Just at a high level and as one example, that is the root of the evolution vs. creationism debate.

Absolute hogwash. Some of the finest schools are religious. Some beliefs may be adversarial like creationism for example, but this has nothing to do with religion or education as a whole or being adversarial. That is just nonsense.
 
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A response to a post hardly means anything. Flies are insignificant too but we still swat them.



I am Pro-choice, but that hardly matters in light of the 80 children that were recently gunned down. Quit trying to divert the topic, because at this point it is becoming quite obvious that you don't care about a single one of these children, ding dong.

Yeah, that's what I thought. :roll:
 
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Response to malala yousafzai getting the nobel peace prize?
 
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Yeah, that's what I thought. :roll:

Mornin' Country. :2wave: Its a shame that children are attacked by Terrorist adult fighters. But then this is the world we live in. For some.....it is to much to cope with or get around what they are hearing.

Of course seeing it up close and personal is another matter. That's where the impact comes in.....that is where one can also see those who can cope with the tragedy or if it completely bursts their bubble and they meltdown. Not being able to deal with any other matters or cognitive thought.

Now how do you think that affect those on the battlefield knowing that several people just had their bubbles bursted and cannot function to support others in their unit. Now think if another attack comes.....all while this is taking place.

So much for those that can't handle it.....huh?
 
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Yeah, that's what I thought. :roll:

You've managed to say a whole lot of nothing with your last words there, dingus.
 
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it is not islam ,you should know better than the others if you are not ignorant

Yes it is and I know it better than the others.
 
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Potshot? Did she, or did she not state we should empathize with these people? That's no potshot sir, it's a direct hit, and well deserved.
And still not word of sympathy for the children. Conservatives are cold and lack empathy.
 
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You've managed to say a whole lot of nothing with your last words there, dingus.

What's with the retarded name calling? Are you like 13 years old or something? Grow up.
 
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And still not word of sympathy for the children. Conservatives are cold and lack empathy.

It goes without saying. But if it makes you feel better, I have the greatest sympathy for the loss. I know personally what it's like to lose a child. Two in fact.
 
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Update : At least 126 people killed, most of them children
 
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Children...ugh..what it the matter with the world? This is just heartbreaking.
 
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Education is dangerous for the Taliban. They know that. Religious organizations lose their monopoly

If you are arguing that education allows people greater control over their lives, that's one thing. It certainly undercuts the appeal of extreme or radical entities (e.g., that's one of the reasons the Boko Haram terrorist organization is so opposed to education). If you are suggesting that education renders organized religion irrelevant or obsolete, that's quite another. The existence of faith does not require one not to be educated. Education does not require one to abandon faith. There are many highly-educated people in myriad professions who are also quite active in their religious organizations, as their faith and their works within the context of their faith given them an added sense of purpose and meaning.
 
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Considering a child dies of malnutrition every what? 15 seconds? I just can't get that worked up about it anymore.

The Taliban is doing what they always do... Kill lots of people. This time it happened to be a group of kids. I just can't get that worked up about it anymore.

Thank goodness the US release 5 of their generals from Gitmo then. Whew.
 
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Yes it is and I know it better than the others.

sadly it IS Islam. Islam is monotheistic, but also sectarian and various interpretations, the current horrors are Salafi brand

Don’t Fear All Islamists, Fear Salafis
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/20/opinion/dont-fear-all-islamists-fear-salafis.html?_r=0

A common denominator among disparate Salafi groups is inspiration and support from Wahhabis, a puritanical strain of Sunni Islam from Saudi Arabia. Not all Saudis are Wahhabis. Not all Salafis are Wahhabis, either. But Wahhabis are basically all Salafis. And many Arabs, particularly outside the sparsely populated Gulf, suspect that Wahhabis are trying to seize the future by aiding and abetting the region’s newly politicized Salafis — as they did 30 years ago by funding the South Asian madrassas that produced Afghanistan’s Taliban
 
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Absolute hogwash. Some of the finest schools are religious. Some beliefs may be adversarial like creationism for example, but this has nothing to do with religion or education as a whole or being adversarial. That is just nonsense.

Well of course there are fine education institutions with ties to religion, but that does not negate the basic premise that human advancement tends to push religion to adapt or die off. Religion, at its core, is about social control and order. Education (science) tends to push those understandings and as such are adversarial to what religion requires. Systems of faith are inherently in conflict with systems of understanding.

Again, we can argue about the differences between the major religions out there all you would like. But when it comes to Islam, education is a huge obstacle to the social controls and order that Islamic literalism and extremism demands. We know it is factual, we have dead kids exclusively because of what education presents to those that cling to these beliefs.

To see how other religions handled this, we may have to do a little history here to make those points. As I said, Islam is furthest behind the curve.
 
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If you are arguing that education allows people greater control over their lives, that's one thing. It certainly undercuts the appeal of extreme or radical entities (e.g., that's one of the reasons the Boko Haram terrorist organization is so opposed to education). If you are suggesting that education renders organized religion irrelevant or obsolete, that's quite another. The existence of faith does not require one not to be educated. Education does not require one to abandon faith. There are many highly-educated people in myriad professions who are also quite active in their religious organizations, as their faith and their works within the context of their faith given them an added sense of purpose and meaning.

That is well observed and points to the different experiences of most of Europe and the US.
 
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Children...ugh..what it the matter with the world? This is just heartbreaking.

Mornin JMac. :2wave: I am hearing one Teacher dead too.
 
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Well of course there are fine education institutions with ties to religion, but that does not negate the basic premise that human advancement tends to push religion to adapt or die off. Religion, at its core, is about social control and order. Education (science) tends to push those understandings and as such are adversarial to what religion requires. Systems of faith are inherently in conflict with systems of understanding.

Again, we can argue about the differences between the major religions out there all you would like. But when it comes to Islam, education is a huge obstacle to the social controls and order that Islamic literalism and extremism demands. We know it is factual, we have dead kids exclusively because of what education presents to those that cling to these beliefs.

To see how other religions handled this, we may have to do a little history here to make those points. As I said, Islam is furthest behind the curve.

As a science student i can definitely say that science and religion are quite adversarial but most scientists are scared to say that :D
 
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