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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I say I'm sickened by this act and you take it as an opportunity to condescend to me? I'm happy the murder of 140 children gives you some relief. I'm sure it will give many people great comfort.
    My comment was actually more the result of a certain frustration with liberals in general than you personally, but I can see how you might take offense to it. Anyway, I was being sincere when I saw you describe yourself as a liberal and then use the word "evil" in the present context. So often I hear rationalizations about why this group or that group does what it does, whether it's the Palestinians, ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Russians, or whatever. Or maybe I hear righteous indignation for a moment and then... nothing. Rarely do they articulate any sort of response that demonstrates an unwavering resolve or willingness to engage in any activity that proves to be, shall I say, unpleasant? So I was hoping you would go beyond being sickened and tell us what you think the Pakistanis should do about it, if anything.
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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by fmw View Post
    Only a monster would take comfort in the willful killing of children. I can't tell you what causes politics to separate people on a personal level but it does. Don't feel bad. I'm a non partisan and I get that treatment from both sides from time to time.
    You claim to be non-partisan, that you receive partisan (presumably) mistreatment from "both sides," and yet, instead of having the gumption to address me directly, you mischaracterize my comment and then hypocritically toss in an epithet to boot. You're priceless.
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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    My comment was actually more the result of a certain frustration with liberals in general than you personally, but I can see how you might take offense to it. Anyway, I was being sincere when I saw you describe yourself as a liberal and then use the word "evil" in the present context. So often I hear rationalizations about why this group or that group does what it does, whether it's the Palestinians, ISIS, al-Qaeda, the Russians, or whatever. Or maybe I hear righteous indignation for a moment and then... nothing. Rarely do they articulate any sort of response that demonstrates an unwavering resolve or willingness to engage in any activity that proves to be, shall I say, unpleasant? So I was hoping you would go beyond being sickened and tell us what you think the Pakistanis should do about it, if anything.
    I can't really help you there because I don't know the extent of the Pakistani government's powers (obviously not too much, as the Taliban is allowed to exist at all). It seems to me that the American government and Pakistan are locked in a horrible relationship with each other that absolutely nobody enjoys. We need to be there to fight terrorists and to keep Pakistan from becoming a failed state, which could potentially allow their nukes to fall into the Taliban's and Al Qaeda's hands; and Pakistan almost certainly resents the ever loving bejeezus for us on their soil, defying their laws, killing their people with drones, yet need us for the aforementioned keeping them from being a failed state. And even if I were to take a Colonel Kilgore approach to the war (or Patton, if you prefer), I'm not aware of the strategic difficulties in taking the Taliban head-on.

    In any case, I'm more than capable of identifying evil without having the qualifications to know how to counter it.

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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    I can't really help you there because I don't know the extent of the Pakistani government's powers (obviously not too much, as the Taliban is allowed to exist at all). It seems to me that the American government and Pakistan are locked in a horrible relationship with each other that absolutely nobody enjoys. We need to be there to fight terrorists and to keep Pakistan from becoming a failed state, which could potentially allow their nukes to fall into the Taliban's and Al Qaeda's hands; and Pakistan almost certainly resents the ever loving bejeezus for us on their soil, defying their laws, killing their people with drones, yet need us for the aforementioned keeping them from being a failed state. And even if I were to take a Colonel Kilgore approach to the war (or Patton, if you prefer), I'm not aware of the strategic difficulties in taking the Taliban head-on.

    In any case, I'm more than capable of identifying evil without having the qualifications to know how to counter it.
    Offhand, I'd say once you identity evil you take the Churchill approach: no negotiating. You apply force, and you don't stop until you eradicate it. We know insurgencies can be defeated. It's just a question of whether a government has the time and patience to accomplish it, as well as a willingness to not always play by Marquess of Queensberry rules because you can bet that your opponent is going to hit below the belt. The U.S.'s drone campaign is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. So are special forces night raids against Taliban/al-Qaeda leadership targets. We've taken a lot of flak from the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan for these tactics because they're tended to inflame the populace, but this is just the sort of effective pressure against these groups that we need to keep applying, preferably in cooperation with the governments of these two countries. The Pakistanis also need to address the "Talibanization" of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the use of Madrasas to perpetuate this cycle of hatred and work to reassert government and tribal authority over these areas. Exactly how they should go about it I can't say, but it needs to involve the pacification or, if necessary, destruction of these schools and their leadership.
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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Black Dog View Post
    Again you responded to me. My comment had nothing to do with the Taliban other than stating they kill people. It also had nothing to do with my point. Your comment had literally nothing to do with anything I said. Next time actually read what the person said and respond in kind. Otherwise your post is pretty much pointless... which in the end it was.
    Anything I say at this point would be repetitive - please look back to my earlier posts to YOU.
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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    You claim to be non-partisan, that you receive partisan (presumably) mistreatment from "both sides," and yet, instead of having the gumption to address me directly, you mischaracterize my comment and then hypocritically toss in an epithet to boot. You're priceless.
    I did address you directly. I made no characterization of your comment. Sorry you misunderstood me.

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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Anything I say at this point would be repetitive - please look back to my earlier posts to YOU.
    No need to. It made no sense then, and it makes no sense now.

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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Offhand, I'd say once you identity evil you take the Churchill approach: no negotiating. You apply force, and you don't stop until you eradicate it. We know insurgencies can be defeated. It's just a question of whether a government has the time and patience to accomplish it, as well as a willingness to not always play by Marquess of Queensberry rules because you can bet that your opponent is going to hit below the belt. The U.S.'s drone campaign is a perfect example of what I'm talking about. So are special forces night raids against Taliban/al-Qaeda leadership targets. We've taken a lot of flak from the governments of Afghanistan and Pakistan for these tactics because they're tended to inflame the populace, but this is just the sort of effective pressure against these groups that we need to keep applying, preferably in cooperation with the governments of these two countries. The Pakistanis also need to address the "Talibanization" of the Federally Administered Tribal Areas and the use of Madrasas to perpetuate this cycle of hatred and work to reassert government and tribal authority over these areas. Exactly how they should go about it I can't say, but it needs to involve the pacification or, if necessary, destruction of these schools and their leadership.
    Only complete and total victory works, as we saw with Germany, Italy and Japan. These potshots at the enemy and the eagerness to appease only emboldens them.

    Better this problem is resolved sooner than later because nukes will soon be entering the picture.

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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Better this problem is resolved sooner than later because nukes will soon be entering the picture.
    I presume you mean Iran. Anyway, of course, Pakistan is also a nuclear power, Pakistanis don't like Americans, and this country is practically a failed state. So, yes, it's in our interests to see this country rid of radical Islamists and some stability brought to it. I see a better chance for cooperation with the real power in the country: the Army.

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    Re: 84 children killed as Taliban storm school

    Quote Originally Posted by Mathematician View Post
    Take Mrs. Clinton's advice and "empathize" with the guys doing this. Maybe they went to that school and were picked on.
    Yeah! alright! starting off the thread about one of the most gruesome events of the past year with a joke! nicely done! way to elevate the discussion.

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