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    Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Manhunt for 'Armed and Dangerous' Suspect in Pennsylvania Shooting Spree - ABC News

    Early this morning a ex military man who served in Iraq killed six people including his ex wife and a 14 year old girl. He is still at large.

    To me this is yet another reason to stop the wars. Allot of the people that come back suffer from PTSD, and that can make them unstable.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Manhunt for 'Armed and Dangerous' Suspect in Pennsylvania Shooting Spree - ABC News

    Early this morning a ex military man who served in Iraq killed six people including his ex wife and a 14 year old girl. He is still at large.

    To me this is yet another reason to stop the wars. Allot of the people that come back suffer from PTSD, and that can make them unstable.
    You're right. It's probably the result of PTSD contracted due to fighting in our wars of liberal expansionism.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    You're right. It's probably the result of PTSD contracted due to fighting in our wars of liberal expansionism.
    Yes because bush was the liberal who started those wars?

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Can we avoid the partisan mudslinging while the shooter is still out at large, guys?

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Manhunt for 'Armed and Dangerous' Suspect in Pennsylvania Shooting Spree - ABC News

    Early this morning a ex military man who served in Iraq killed six people including his ex wife and a 14 year old girl. He is still at large.

    To me this is yet another reason to stop the wars. Allot of the people that come back suffer from PTSD, and that can make them unstable.
    I'm not saying he does have PTSD or not, but the article does not mention that.
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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    This seems like an issue of a person dealing with mental illness. It's a shame that it came down to him killing his wife. However, what it highlights is that more needs to be done help veterans who suffer from PTSD/depression etc. I've been saying for years that the right and left are full of **** when it comes to caring for vets. However, nobody has listened (maybe Cherokee, but he's RIP). As sad as this story is, it can be used to show why funding for mental health is so important and how both civilians and the military can benefit from it. I doubt a lot of people will listen and this thread will degenerate into a guns argument or a war argument. However, those who wish to discuss measures to help people with mental health can address me and maybe something constructive can come from all of this.
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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    Yes because bush was the liberal who started those wars?
    Bush was a neoconservative. Basically the idea that the reason liberalism is bad is because it harms freedom (which is a liberal idea in the first place).

    Those wars were most certainly fought to spread liberal democracy to those countries. It was in the name of the operations for goodness sake.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    I'm not saying he does have PTSD or not, but the article does not mention that.
    No your right. I was speculating I never said they said he did.

    Although I think its hard to go into a warzone (especially one like Iraq) without some type of mental trauma.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This seems like an issue of a person dealing with mental illness. It's a shame that it came down to him killing his wife. However, what it highlights is that more needs to be done help veterans who suffer from PTSD/depression etc. I've been saying for years that the right and left are full of **** when it comes to caring for vets. However, nobody has listened (maybe Cherokee, but he's RIP). As sad as this story is, it can be used to show why funding for mental health is so important and how both civilians and the military can benefit from it. I doubt a lot of people will listen and this thread will degenerate into a guns argument or a war argument. However, those who wish to discuss measures to help people with mental health can address me and maybe something constructive can come from all of this.
    To me the answer to that is universal healthcare. Then people will always have the access they need and desire.

    Not enough is done for sure. I also think a big problem with our mental health institutions here is that pharma is held privately. They have a vested interest in making pills people become dependant on, and ones that don't work that well. That way they can roll out new ones every few years and charge more...

    Also prohibition of marijuana ayahuasca and even psylocibin really does not help. All three of these things have been shown to help people with PTSD. Especially weed, their is much less research into the other two because of legal bs.... And why shouldn't people be able to take the meds they choose if it helps them anyway?

    Specifically I think the strains of weed (like Charlotte's web) that are very high in Cbd and low in THC could do wonders for folks that suffer from PTSD. Actually I know they could because cbd is a very strong and safe anti anxiety medication. It also does not get you high. That's thc...

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by b_dubz View Post
    To me the answer to that is universal healthcare. Then people will always have the access they need and desire.

    Not enough is done for sure. I also think a big problem with our mental health institutions here is that pharma is held privately. They have a vested interest in making pills people become dependant on, and ones that don't work that well. That way they can roll out new ones every few years and charge more...

    Also prohibition of marijuana ayahuasca and even psylocibin really does not help. All three of these things have been shown to help people with PTSD. Especially weed, their is much less research into the other two because of legal bs.... And why shouldn't people be able to take the meds they choose if it helps them anyway?

    Specifically I think the strains of weed (like Charlotte's web) that are very high in Cbd and low in THC could do wonders for folks that suffer from PTSD. Actually I know they could because cbd is a very strong and safe anti anxiety medication. It also does not get you high. That's thc...
    I was thinking about reasonable suggestions. Universal health care isn't going to happen anytime soon in the US and it would be political suicide for Democrats to try and pass it. I also don't think that psychedelics are the right answer to people suffering from flashbacks. I think the first step is removing stigma from mental health. The second is to educate people about what is and isn't a mental illness. I see too many people saying I'm OCD or I'm depressed. They have no idea what it means, obviously, I myself have used it in the past, but as I learn more and more about mental illness, I know these are not what I'm experiencing. So yeah, let's start with measures which are reasonable within this political climate.
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