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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    I was thinking about reasonable suggestions. Universal health care isn't going to happen anytime soon in the US and it would be political suicide for Democrats to try and pass it. I also don't think that psychedelics are the right answer to people suffering from flashbacks. I think the first step is removing stigma from mental health. The second is to educate people about what is and isn't a mental illness. I see too many people saying I'm OCD or I'm depressed. They have no idea what it means, obviously, I myself have used it in the past, but as I learn more and more about mental illness, I know these are not what I'm experiencing. So yeah, let's start with measures which are reasonable within this political climate.
    It doesn't matter if its political suicide, its the right and responsible thing to do. Furthermore lack of universal healthcare is one of the main things that keeps us so low on the WHO list of healthcare. Basically they agree. And every other civilized country in the world has it. Honestly the only reason we don't is because FDR died. Had he not he would have passed the economic bill of rights which would have given us universal healthcare and education along with many other things.

    Another fascinating discovery, one with implications for PTSD, is that the cannabinoid system is integrally related to memory, specifically to memory extinction. Memory extinction is the normal, healthy process of removing associations from stimuli. Dr. Mechoulam explained that an animal which has been administered an electric shock after a certain noise will eventually forget about the shock after the noise appears alone for a few days. Mice without cannabinoid systems simply never forget - they continue to cringe at the noise indefinitely.
    http://veteransformedicalmarijuana.o...-ptsd-symptoms

    Well lots of veterans would disagree about weed at least. That's why it can be prescribed for it and so many take it...

    People are also starting to research other psycadelics to treat PTSD, including ayawaska, MDMA, and mushrooms with fairly promising results compared to what the medical establishment has to offer.

    Yes people do tend to diagnose themselves incorrectly, but I think to some extent the stigma is starting to go away. Compare seeing a psychologist now to seeing one in the 80s. Their is allot less stigma attached now, and I see no reason for it to end.

    To some extent I think your right about stigma being the problem, allot of vets see it as shameful or weakness to ask for help with it. But what about those that do seek help, and find the treatments do nothing or very little, that's what I think the much bigger issue is.

    This is not a reasonable political climate, I see no reason people should be bound by it, especially researches, patients, and doctors.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They were trying to turn Iraq into a liberal democracy. Thus, liberal expansion.
    That is some of the biggest nonsense I have seen written yet about the Iraq war in the last few years. Neocon war, neocon forces in the white house, conservatives ruling the white house, conservatives boss in the senate, conservative boss in the house and then the result is a liberal democracy?

    Then the white house puts in Iraq a republican pro-temp head of state, Paul Bremer and you call that a liberal expansion
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    That is some of the biggest nonsense I have seen written yet about the Iraq war in the last few years. Neocon war, neocon forces in the white house, conservatives ruling the white house, conservatives boss in the senate, conservative boss in the house and then the result is a liberal democracy?

    Then the white house puts in Iraq a republican pro-temp head of state, Paul Bremer and you call that a liberal expansion
    I can't help it if you don't know what "liberal democracy" means.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    They were trying to turn Iraq into a liberal democracy. Thus, liberal expansion.
    If conservatives hadn't attacked America on 9/11, the the wars wouldn't have happened.
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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Allot?
    20% of them from Iraq. I would call that allot. It's the most ever during a open conflict. Furthermore the rate for most Americans is 3 to 4%. So they are 4-5 times as likely to suffer from it as the average pop...

    Furthermore keep in mind allot of vets don't come forward, and with Vietnam at least the numbers rose very significantly over time, as it does not always manifest immediately. According to a NVVR study 4 out of 5 Vietnam vets now suffer from it.

    Iraqi veterans also have a extremely high rate of depression, along with suicide and attempted suicide. It's actually really shocking. 5000 die from it each year. That's 6.6% of the total suicides in america... One study claims that the number is more like 8000 and that one veteran kills him/herself every 65 minutes.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    If conservatives hadn't attacked America on 9/11, the the wars wouldn't have happened.
    1. Saddam was a secularist. So he is not reasonably described as conservative even though he was not liberal.

    2. Iraq didn't attack us.

    3. The Afghan government didn't attack us, Al Qaeda did. The Afghan government refused to do justice, which was wrong, but not grounds for war.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    I can't help it if you don't know what "liberal democracy" means.
    I know exactly what liberal means and just because something is a democracy does not make it liberal anything.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I know exactly what liberal means and just because something is a democracy does not make it liberal anything.
    Then explain what "liberal democracy" means.

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I don't think Paleocon is using the same definition of "liberal" as you are.
    I know the definitions of liberal quite well. And he seems to using the political version, not the one that means freely or open to new behaviors...

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    Re: Man kills 6 family members, still at large.

    Quote Originally Posted by Paleocon View Post
    1. Saddam was a secularist. So he is not reasonably described as conservative even though he was not liberal.

    2. Iraq didn't attack us.

    3. The Afghan government didn't attack us, Al Qaeda did. The Afghan government refused to do justice, which was wrong, but not grounds for war.
    The Iraq war wouldn't have happened if 9/11 hadn't happened. It enabled the appropriate atmosphere of fear. Al Qaeda is a conservative organisation.
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