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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Tell that to the buffalo that is being eaten alive by a pride of lions. We humans are meat-eaters, at least some of us are. Don't get me wrong, I love a good salad, it goes good with a well cooked burger.
    A good steak salad is one of my favorite meals.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Come on, tell the truth. Nobody can love salad. It may be a necessary evil, but nobody can love it.
    It's true, I love a good salad. What can I say? But steak does make it much better.

    At my favorite two places that serve steak salad, one puts beer battered french fries on it, and the other uses tater tots.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I eat to live. That's enough justification for me.
    You need to eat to live, but you don't have to eat other animals to live. This is fact.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Do you have a problem with animals eating other animals?

    Is a wolf a horrible creature because he ate a rabbit?
    The wolf needs to eat the rabbit to be healthy, but we do not. Also, wolves and other carnivores cannot be said to "know any better".

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Are you any better than a cow? If you had to pick one to live, would you flip a coin?
    Is this in reference to the situation in the OP? This is NOT a matter of life and death for humans, so there's no reason to "flip a coin". Now if I did have to choose I would most likely save the human, but that is more due to my emotional bias than anything else. I would also save my dog over a human I didn't even know.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    It isn't just for food.

    When you consider the shoes, jackets, handbags, and a host of other fashionable items that can be produced from the hides of these animals, the killing of a cow suddenly becomes a glorious event.
    Most of those items are merely by-products of the meat industry seeing as we use every part of the animal after they are slaughtered.

    I can see that you're letting greed power your morality on this subject.

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    How insightful.

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    I agree with this:

    He or she was a being that is capable of suffering and experiencing emotion.

    You & I definitely see eye to eye on that. I don't think an animal being scared or suffering is amusing either.

    Killing other animals for food is completely unnecessary violence

    I've stopped eating meat but my family has not, and humans are omnivores, so I don't agree that slaughtering for food is violence. What I do advocate is humane slaughtering, which sadly isn't the norm.
    Humans are omnivorous, but this means we are CAPABLE of eating and digesting meat not that we are OBLIGATED to do so. We are perfectly capable of being healthy without consuming animal products. "Humane slaughtering" is a fantasy considering that we kill these animals without a need to do so.

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    It's a ****ing cow, calm down.
    Oh wow, you've convinced me.

    Why shouldn't I care about a cow being killed and terrified?

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    Most of those items are merely by-products of the meat industry seeing as we use every part of the animal after they are slaughtered.

    I can see that you're letting greed power your morality on this subject.
    When you consider that these animals would not even exist if humans had not bred them for our purposes it is your morality that gets called into question. If we no longer eat meat or utilize the other parts of the animals for our purposes they will die off and become extinct in short order.

    That one's on you.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    Humans are omnivorous, but this means we are CAPABLE of eating and digesting meat not that we are OBLIGATED to do so. We are perfectly capable of being healthy without consuming animal products. "Humane slaughtering" is a fantasy considering that we kill these animals without a need to do so.
    I agree that eating meat is not necessary but have you considered the fact that if we didn't eat meat, some of the animals we raise would go extinct or nearly extinct?

    Take chickens for example. If we didn't eat them, then why would anyone raise them? For the eggs?

    Chickens only raise eggs for a few years before their productivity drops drastically. Do you think the chicken farmers are going to pay to keep feeding a hen that isn't producing eggs? If we did that, the price of eggs would soar, resulting in people no longer eating eggs due to their high price. And if people stop eating the eggs *and* the meat, then I ask again "Why would anyone raise them?"

    And if no one raises chickens, do you think they'll just survive out in the wild? Not likely.

    And then there's the issue of roosters. Statistically, the offspring of chickens are 50% males and 50% females but in a flock of egg layers, you want no more than one rooster for a bunch of hens so what do you do with the excess males if you're not going to kill them and eat them?
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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    When you consider that these animals would not even exist if humans had not bred them for our purposes it is your morality that gets called into question. If we no longer eat meat or utilize the other parts of the animals for our purposes they will die off and become extinct in short order.

    That one's on you.
    LOL! First of all, there's no reason to think they will become extinct as many of these species of animals are already surviving in the wild.

    Second, your post indicates that one's quality of life is of little meaning as long as they're alive. Is that truly your belief? I would think that we'd rather not exist at all if our lives would be full of nothing but exploitation and an early death.

    Finally, so what if they were to become extinct? Are you suggesting that we can be harmed by non-existence? Some of these animals would certainly be better off not being born again seeing as they have been made to possess attributes that are pleasing and useful to us instead of those that would benefit their ability to survive. Have you seen how large domesticated chickens and turkeys get these days? They can hardly walk around.

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    I agree that eating meat is not necessary but have you considered the fact that if we didn't eat meat, some of the animals we raise would go extinct or nearly extinct?

    Take chickens for example. If we didn't eat them, then why would anyone raise them? For the eggs?

    Chickens only raise eggs for a few years before their productivity drops drastically. Do you think the chicken farmers are going to pay to keep feeding a hen that isn't producing eggs? If we did that, the price of eggs would soar, resulting in people no longer eating eggs due to their high price. And if people stop eating the eggs *and* the meat, then I ask again "Why would anyone raise them?"

    And if no one raises chickens, do you think they'll just survive out in the wild? Not likely.

    And then there's the issue of roosters. Statistically, the offspring of chickens are 50% males and 50% females but in a flock of egg layers, you want no more than one rooster for a bunch of hens so what do you do with the excess males if you're not going to kill them and eat them?
    I answered a lot of these questions above actually. I foresee a time when we do not "raise" these animals for anything as it is exploitative of them. I do not think it is wise to release them into the wild, although this may happen anyway, so I think it's best to just provide sanctuary to these animals and there are many places that already do just that.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    I answered a lot of these questions above actually. I foresee a time when we do not "raise" these animals for anything as it is exploitative of them. I do not think it is wise to release them into the wild, although this may happen anyway, so I think it's best to just provide sanctuary to these animals and there are many places that already do just that.
    So your answer is "let them go extinct"

    Sure some wild versions of these animals might continue to survive somewhere, but the common breeds we are familiar with would disappear from the face of the earth, reducing genetic diversity.

    And have you considered the fact that a farm without such animals is an inefficient farm and generally requires chemical inputs to keep it running? Animals such as chickens, ducks, goats, sheep, cows, etc do not merely provide meat. They provide many benefits to the farm and I'm not just talking about fertilizer. They also can till the soil (without the use of petroleum products), eliminate weeds (again, without the use of petroleum products), and eliminate bugs (again, without the use of petroleum products)

    If those animals go extinct, how do you propose farmers take care of weeds and insects without using petroleum based chemicals? How will they fertilize their soil?
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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    LOL! First of all, there's no reason to think they will become extinct as many of these species of animals are already surviving in the wild.

    Second, your post indicates that one's quality of life is of little meaning as long as they're alive. Is that truly your belief? I would think that we'd rather not exist at all if our lives would be full of nothing but exploitation and an early death.

    Finally, so what if they were to become extinct? Are you suggesting that we can be harmed by non-existence? Some of these animals would certainly be better off not being born again seeing as they have been made to possess attributes that are pleasing and useful to us instead of those that would benefit their ability to survive. Have you seen how large domesticated chickens and turkeys get these days? They can hardly walk around.


    I answered a lot of these questions above actually. I foresee a time when we do not "raise" these animals for anything as it is exploitative of them. I do not think it is wise to release them into the wild, although this may happen anyway, so I think it's best to just provide sanctuary to these animals and there are many places that already do just that.
    You want to provide sanctuary for about 100,000,000 million head of cattle?

    Lol. Good luck with that.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So your answer is "let them go extinct"

    Sure some wild versions of these animals might continue to survive somewhere, but the common breeds we are familiar with would disappear from the face of the earth, reducing genetic diversity.

    And have you considered the fact that a farm without such animals is an inefficient farm and generally requires chemical inputs to keep it running? Animals such as chickens, ducks, goats, sheep, cows, etc do not merely provide meat. They provide many benefits to the farm and I'm not just talking about fertilizer. They also can till the soil (without the use of petroleum products), eliminate weeds (again, without the use of petroleum products), and eliminate bugs (again, without the use of petroleum products)

    If those animals go extinct, how do you propose farmers take care of weeds and insects without using petroleum based chemicals? How will they fertilize their soil?
    Maybe they'll go extinct, maybe they won't. The first step I suggest is to just stop exploiting them. As for "reducing genetic diversity", sorry if I can't see the harm in these species dying out seeing as they have been bred with attributes that solely benefit humanity rather than themselves and the ecosystem.

    As for your next point, there are many alternatives to the use of chemicals you are listing. They might not be available to the wide populace quite yet, but that is because no one is asking for them!

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    The issue of using petroleum and other chemicals to farm is certainly a concern but separate from the issue of the using other animals for food. The importance of finding alternative sources of energy and reducing our overall population come into play here, but don't think for a second that I don't consider all of it to be necessary for our future. I will say that if other animals are merely around to help benefit a plant-based agriculture instead of being exploited for their flesh and secretions that this would be an acceptable outcome for many and is certainly better than nothing.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    You want to provide sanctuary for about 100,000,000 million head of cattle?

    Lol. Good luck with that.
    Obviously this would not be something that happened overnight. Gradually we would stop eating and supporting the exploitation of animals, and so not as many will be bred into existence. The ones that are left over can be taken care of, and seeing as we're the ones who got them in this mess in the first place we should be obligated to do so!

    There may, indeed, be no perfect solution to this, but it's certainly better than doing nothing because you cling to the impractically of it all.

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    Re: Cops kill cow after wild chase through Pocatello's north side

    Quote Originally Posted by Brother AJ View Post
    Obviously this would not be something that happened overnight. Gradually we would stop eating and supporting the exploitation of animals, and so not as many will be bred into existence. The ones that are left over can be taken care of, and seeing as we're the ones who got them in this mess in the first place we should be obligated to do so!

    There may, indeed, be no perfect solution to this, but it's certainly better than doing nothing because you cling to the impractically of it all.
    But there is a perfect solution... do nothing.

    Let me eat my steak in peace and I won't bother you about your tofu sandwich. It would be much more practical than the fascist play you would have to impose to see your vision come to fruition.

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