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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Well, I won't argue that the GM could have been pro active or not, but seems to me it should have been the cops, or their equivalent of DoHS that got on top of this.
    You're right, but it was a counter to the GM getting any credit for remarks made after the fact, which usually seems to be the case.. With this guys record he should have been removed from society much earlier and was, of course, well known within the Islamic community.

    If you scroll down you can see the killer in front of the window which raises the question of why he wasn't taken out then. THREE DEAD IN BLOODY END TO SIEGE: Two hostages dead and Muslim gunman killed as police storm Sydney cafe with assault rifles and stun grenades moments after hostages fled | Daily Mail Online

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Just awful, beyond words.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Just awful, beyond words.

    Our Community will remain solid and we will look out for each other and stick together. RIP to the victims, my heart and thoughts are with all involved.
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

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    Ahh its the "more guns means less shootings" crowd. Awesome philosophy there. Blame this on their strict gun control laws. How many school shootings have they had down there the last couple of decades? I mean, if you are going to criticize the gun laws for that one shooting why not take a wider and more comprehensive look at shooting results eh?
    You think the lack of school house shootings is a direct result of banning guns?
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Radical Muslims seems to be an issue though.

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    Time to give Australians the same rights we have here in America, the right of self defense. You know, so they won't have to wait 16 hours for their Government to not kill the bad guy
    But yet there is so much more gun violence in the US. A guy in Pennsylvania today shot 6 people in cold blood (ex. military) yet it's "just another day at the office" in the US. Ho-hum, people getting shot down... no biggie.
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    I don't want to jump into the "blame all Muslims" bandwagon, but there is something fundamentally wrong with this whole picture.

    The guy was a refugee. He was welcomed in Australia. Then he engaged in vociferous protests against the Australian government for its actions in Afghanistan. Then he was accused of no fewer than 40 sexual assaults. Then he was accused in the murder of his wife. He continued to walk around freely, then his actions resulted in the death of two innocent Australians.

    Not that he doesn't have a right to protest the actions of the government. But he definitely doesn't have a right to sexually assault 40 Australian women, murder his wife, take hostages, and take the lives of two people.

    Now, what would have happened to him if he had stayed in his home country and similarly vehemently protested against its government, then committed these crimes ("sins")? I think he probably would have had his hands chopped off for his first offense, and upon persisting, his head would have been chopped off.

    So, Western tolerance resulted in what happened today.

    It's like welcoming with open arms a scorpion, then getting fatally stung.

    Are we Western societies becoming so politically correct that we then fail to protect our own people from a nutjob like this guy?

    Sure, in retrospect, judgment is easier, but this seems like a really extreme situation. Shouldn't this guy 1. Be better screened, and his demand for refugee status turned down? 2. If admitted, then have his status revoked and be deported, after he started misbehaving? I mean, he should have a right of defense, as the crimes he was accused of were maybe still unproven, but I think it shouldn't take this long to realize that the Australians were in the presence of a scorpion - at the very least not let the man out on bail until further investigation. Two innocent Australians would still be alive, and the two of them and their families would have been grateful.
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by GreatNews2night View Post
    I don't want to jump into the "blame all Muslims" bandwagon, but there is something fundamentally wrong with this whole picture.

    The guy was a refugee. He was welcomed in Australia. Then he engaged in vociferous protests against the Australian government for its actions in Afghanistan. Then he was accused of no fewer than 40 sexual assaults. Then he was accused in the murder of his wife. He continued to walk around freely, then his actions resulted in the death of two innocent Australians.

    Not that he doesn't have a right to protest the actions of the government. But he definitely doesn't have a right to sexually assault 40 Australian women, murder his wife, take hostages, and take the lives of two people.

    Now, what would have happened to him if he had stayed in his home country and similarly vehemently protested against its government, then committed these crimes ("sins")? I think he probably would have had his hands chopped off for his first offense, and upon persisting, his head would have been chopped off.

    So, Western tolerance resulted in what happened today.

    It's like welcoming with open arms a scorpion, then getting fatally stung.

    Are we Western societies becoming so politically correct that we then fail to protect our own people from a nutjob like this guy?

    Sure, in retrospect, judgment is easier, but this seems like a really extreme situation. Shouldn't this guy 1. Be better screened, and his demand for refugee status turned down? 2. If admitted, then have his status revoked and be deported, after he started misbehaving? I mean, he should have a right of defense, as the crimes he was accused of were maybe still unproven, but I think it shouldn't take this long to realize that the Australians were in the presence of a scorpion - at the very least not let the man out on bail until further investigation. Two innocent Australians would still be alive, and the two of them and their families would have been grateful.
    You don't have to 'blame all Muslims' to see a pattern here. We've seen single Muslims murder innocent people in canada recently (twice) a few times in the US (Fort Hood being the biggest) in Britain and in France. There are probably many others which I could look up but the point is made.

    Muslims have been directed to carry out these killings by Islamist leaders and, as we see, some are doing just that. There will be many more of these acts of terror carried out by one or two Muslims and the police, security, and immigration officials, appear to be helpless to stop them.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    I was saddened to learn of the deaths of two of the hostages and several injuries. My thoughts and condolences go out to their families. May Australia stay strong during this trying time.

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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    It's done by Christians too when some members of the Christian community freak out and kill people. It's done to distance themselves from the carnage. They don't want to be seen as responsible. If they really didn't like it, they would have taken steps to throw these people out of their religious community before anything happened. If they really cared, they'd have already excommunicated extremists from their ranks before bad things went down. But they don't. This is just damage control.
    Excommunication? Are you freaking serious?

    First of all it does not exist in Islam. It is a Christian thing.
    Secondly that does not even happen to Christian faith terrorists lol.. hell not even pedophiles get excommunicated in the Christian Church, let alone murderers and rapists..

    The Muslim community leaders constantly state that the actions of radicals is not Islamic.. not much else they can do.
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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I would think the libs in the media would be trumpeting this. Makes me think you are just making that up.
    Oh I am? So you do know that even Iran condemed the attack? That the Muslim leader of Australia condemned the attack?

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