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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    Ahh its the "more guns means less shootings" crowd. Awesome philosophy there. Blame this on their strict gun control laws. How many school shootings have they had down there the last couple of decades? I mean, if you are going to criticize the gun laws for that one shooting why not take a wider and more comprehensive look at shooting results eh?
    Its not about more Guns, its simply about the Right to defend ourselves.

    In Americas case that right is inalienable, God given.

    Its willful ignorance to think for one second that more Gun laws lead to a safer society.

    Especially in America where we don't control our Southern Border.
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    Remain calm and if there is really nothing you can do, wait for someone to come help you. If there is something you can do, do it.
    But prayer may help some people to remain calm in a hostage situation and increase their chances of survival.

    By that reasoning its not useless.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    But prayer may help some people to remain calm in a hostage situation and increase their chances of survival.

    By that reasoning its not useless.
    So can deep breathing, meditation and any number of other things. It's all a means of self-control, none of it actually means that some imaginary friend in the sky is coming to your aid.

    But of course, that has nothing to do with what spurred that response in this thread, which is people wholly uninvolved in the whole situation are pretending that talking to themselves actually helps anything.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Exactly,

    Takes allot of faith to believe there's no God.

    Atheist have to rely on Faith to justify their position that there's absolutely no God.
    Most Atheists rely on something called evidence. If there is no scientific evidence for it, then it does not require any faith to not believe it.
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

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    Sydney Cafe Siege: Three Dead in Standoff
    Lone Gunman Identified as Man Haron Monis Pronounced Dead at Hospital, Along With Two Unnamed Hostages
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/sydney-c...ightTopStories
    By DANIEL STACEY, ROSS KELLY And DAVID WINNING
    Updated Dec. 15, 2014 3:02 p.m. ET

    SYDNEY—A siege that shut down a large part of central Sydney for more than 16 hours ended early Tuesday after two hostages and their armed captor were killed when police stormed the cafe behind a hail of bullets.

    New South Wales police said the lone gunman was pronounced dead in the hospital following the shootout at the Lindt Chocolate Café in Sydney’s Martin Place district around 2:10 a.m. Two unnamed hostages, a 34-year-old man and a 38-year-old woman, were killed in the shootout, though police didn’t say whether the victims’ wounds came from the gunman or from police.
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    Andrew Scipione, New South Wales’s police commissioner, said officers stormed the building after hearing gunshots from inside. After hours of fruitless negotiations with the gunman, officers threw flash grenades and fired automatic weapons into the cafe.

    Mr. Scipione said there were 17 hostages—many of whom escaped—at the cafe, a popular stop for office workers and shoppers. The crisis began around 9:45 a.m. Monday.

    “Unbelievably overnight we have lost some of our own in an attack we would never think we would see in our city,” said Mike Baird, premier of New South Wales, Australia’s most populous state. “In the past 24 hours this city has been changed by a tragedy that none of us would have ever imagined.”
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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    You can no more disprove Gods existence than I can prove it.

    We both need faith to justify our beliefs.

    Deal with it, your'e one of the faithful.
    Actually, YOU are the one who has to make the proof. Oh wait, I forgot.........

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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Flamethrower View Post
    I predicted to my wife last night that the Aussies were liberal incompetants and that 3 to 5 hostages would be killed. Was only off by one.

    I wish that the government offical that signed off on this Islamo-fanatatic to immigrate there would be identified and publically humiliated.
    Real classy. Double-down on insulting a country that is going through a national tragedy. May I point out the dozens of times that American law enforcement has ended up losing (and even accidentally killing) hostages in similar situations? Honestly, your post makes me physically ill. You should be ashamed.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Actually, YOU are the one who has to make the proof. Oh wait, I forgot.........

    Thats not how Faith works. I don't have to prove it to anyone.

    Niether does a Atheist have to prove that God does not exist to anyone.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Most Atheists rely on something called evidence. If there is no scientific evidence for it, then it does not require any faith to not believe it.

    Nonsense. The belief in things unseen or that can't be proven requires faith.

    Atheist have their Faith, and Christians have theirs.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    So can deep breathing, meditation and any number of other things. It's all a means of self-control, none of it actually means that some imaginary friend in the sky is coming to your aid.

    But of course, that has nothing to do with what spurred that response in this thread, which is people wholly uninvolved in the whole situation are pretending that talking to themselves actually helps anything.

    And I wouldn't say that those coping mechanisms dont work.

    They do work. Just like Prayer works for some.

    And it doesn't matter how close someone is to a tragedy they still may feel empathy for the loss of those directly affected by it.

    How those people deal with that loss or how effective the coping mechamism they've chosen is not for you or anyone to judge.

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