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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The coverage of that incident reflects that the terrorist attack even affects Muslims, many of whom have no connection whatsoever to the radicalism and extremism that has been advanced in the name of Islam by Al Qaeda, the Islamic State, the Muslim Brotherhood, etc. Innocent and law-abiding people should not be vilified regardless of their faith. Australia is an inclusive country and I am confident that her people of all faiths will come together during this trying time.
    Muslims have no no connection to attacks from Muslims?

    When the Catholic Church tried to cover up the molestation of children many Catholics quit in disgust, yet nothing similar appears to be happening in Islam. Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims in Africa, for example, and there have been no Muslims marching in the streets asking that it be stopped.

    Yes, innocent and law abiding citizens should not be vilified for their faith, unless that 'faith' is subjugating and oppressing human rights and freedoms and the bodies start piling up. Sometimes 'faith' is overrated and beliefs simply nonsense. We all know that.

    People must expect to be responsible for their beliefs, and what group they belong to, or expect criticism. This is just the way it works in the adult world and Muslims should either be prepared for it, or do something positive about it. But playing the victim card when it is members of their faith creating international terrorism is not a ploy that can continue indefinitely.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    This.

    We should have seen hundred of thousands of Muslims protesting extremism, there are 1.5 Muslims , where are these people?Are they tied up?
    It's a risky religion.

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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Muslims have no no connection to attacks from Muslims?

    When the Catholic Church tried to cover up the molestation of children many Catholics quit in disgust, yet nothing similar appears to be happening in Islam. Christians are being slaughtered by Muslims in Africa, for example, and there have been no Muslims marching in the streets asking that it be stopped.

    Yes, innocent and law abiding citizens should not be vilified for their faith, unless that 'faith' is subjugating and oppressing human rights and freedoms and the bodies start piling up. Sometimes 'faith' is overrated and beliefs simply nonsense. We all know that.

    People must expect to be responsible for their beliefs, and what group they belong to, or expect criticism. This is just the way it works in the adult world and Muslims should either be prepared for it, or do something positive about it. But playing the victim card when it is members of their faith creating international terrorism is not a ploy that can continue indefinitely.
    Luckily it appears the people of Sydney reject your hateful and ignorant opinion.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Luckily it appears the people of Sydney reject your hateful and ignorant opinion.
    "Hateful and ignorant" seriously?
    That post was rather respectful and realistic.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    "Hateful and ignorant" seriously? That post was rather respectful and realistic.
    It's okay, Youngturk. Jetbogieman is not to be taken seriously.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It's okay, Youngturk. Jetbogieman is not to be taken seriously.
    Said one Islamaphobe to another.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Said one Islamaphobe to another.
    The definition of phobia: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

    You make it sound like Islamophobia is illogical.

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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Excommunication? Are you freaking serious?

    First of all it does not exist in Islam. It is a Christian thing.
    Secondly that does not even happen to Christian faith terrorists lol.. hell not even pedophiles get excommunicated in the Christian Church, let alone murderers and rapists..

    The Muslim community leaders constantly state that the actions of radicals is not Islamic.. not much else they can do.
    I was using the term in a generic sense. Disfellowship if you prefer. Chuck them out of the church. We know that a lot of these radicals use Muslim mosques for recruiting and financial support. Deny them that. Do so before the fact, not after. Yeah, it won't stop the crazies from being crazy but it will show a commitment on the part of the Muslim leadership to do more than damage control. The same thing goes for all religious groups. Imagine what would happen if the Catholic Church actually cared about pedophiles in their midst?
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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    Re: Sydney siege: Hostages held in Lindt cafe[W:49]

    Quote Originally Posted by youngturk View Post
    The definition of phobia: an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation

    You make it sound like Islamophobia is illogical.
    Voltaire understood people like Jetbogieman.

    “To determine the true rulers of any society, all you must do is ask yourself this question: Who is it that I am not permitted to criticize?”

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    Re: Islamist terrorist takes 13 hostages in Australia

    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    I was using the term in a generic sense. Disfellowship if you prefer. Chuck them out of the church. We know that a lot of these radicals use Muslim mosques for recruiting and financial support. Deny them that. Do so before the fact, not after. Yeah, it won't stop the crazies from being crazy but it will show a commitment on the part of the Muslim leadership to do more than damage control.
    Actually they do it before the fact also.. quite often but they dont exactly announce such things. Just because you dont read it on highly anti-Muslim western media, does not mean it does not happen.

    The same thing goes for all religious groups. Imagine what would happen if the Catholic Church actually cared about pedophiles in their midst?
    Half of their priests would be in jail and most of their flock would be on religious trial for moral corruption. ..
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