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    Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    This will pose a difficult problem for Hillary going forward to 2016.

    Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    ". . . Taking to the Senate floor, Ms. Warren implored her Democratic colleagues not to support the deal — and in the process threatened the entire bipartisan spending package that would avert a government shutdown. Though the bill narrowly passed the House on Thursday evening and appeared headed for passage in the Senate, Ms. Warren’s relentless fight to defeat it elevated her status as the leader of her party’s liberal base.


    Her effort to lead that revolt exposed emerging rifts between the progressive wing and the centrist middle in a Democratic Party struggling to find its footing after losing its majority in the Senate and falling further into the minority in the House in the midterm elections.


    It also put Ms. Warren at odds with President Obama, who supports the compromise bill despite his criticism of the provision, and other Democrats, including Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader.


    Many in the party believe that their losses in November can be attributed to the lack of a muscular, coherent message about how Democrats would address economic anxieties, particularly among working-class whites.


    That void offers new opportunity for Ms. Warren, whose populist leanings and fiery, us-versus-them speeches resonate well with organized labor and other workers left struggling since the financial crisis.


    The groundswell that Ms. Warren helped stoke last week offered an early glimpse of the complicated 2016 presidential dynamics that the Democratic Party is now facing. . . ."


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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This will pose a difficult problem for Hillary going forward to 2016.

    Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    ". . . Taking to the Senate floor, Ms. Warren implored her Democratic colleagues not to support the deal — and in the process threatened the entire bipartisan spending package that would avert a government shutdown. Though the bill narrowly passed the House on Thursday evening and appeared headed for passage in the Senate, Ms. Warren’s relentless fight to defeat it elevated her status as the leader of her party’s liberal base.


    Her effort to lead that revolt exposed emerging rifts between the progressive wing and the centrist middle in a Democratic Party struggling to find its footing after losing its majority in the Senate and falling further into the minority in the House in the midterm elections.


    It also put Ms. Warren at odds with President Obama, who supports the compromise bill despite his criticism of the provision, and other Democrats, including Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader.


    Many in the party believe that their losses in November can be attributed to the lack of a muscular, coherent message about how Democrats would address economic anxieties, particularly among working-class whites.


    That void offers new opportunity for Ms. Warren, whose populist leanings and fiery, us-versus-them speeches resonate well with organized labor and other workers left struggling since the financial crisis.


    The groundswell that Ms. Warren helped stoke last week offered an early glimpse of the complicated 2016 presidential dynamics that the Democratic Party is now facing. . . ."


    Interesting - don't you think? The so frequently disparaged NYTimes being quoted by the conservative while the socialist quotes FoxNews

    Growing divide among Senate Republicans on spending bill?

    WASHINGTON – Republican aren’t mincing words about some in their own party as the political divide grows and the deadline to pass a spending bill nears.

    Heading into a rare Saturday session, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told Fox News he was surprised that GOP Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah went over his head Friday night and held up a vote on the $1.1 trillion spending bill.

    A senior GOP source lashed out at Cruz and Lee, calling the move “hamfisted” and “amateurish.”
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Interesting - don't you think? The so frequently disparaged NYTimes being quoted by the conservative while the socialist quotes FoxNews
    Who's the conservative quoting the NYT?
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Democrat rift... that is a good one. This was a rift between anyone in on the deal and anyone outside the deal, which happened to be bipartisan in both instances.
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Warren implored other Democrats to shut the government down?

    jeez...that wasn't very nice of her.

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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

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    Warren implored other Democrats to shut the government down?

    jeez...that wasn't very nice of her.
    She's the political mirror-image of Ted Cruz.
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    She's the political mirror-image of Ted Cruz.
    Not quite, she's rational and with the facts behind her statements. Mr Cruz seldom has reality on his side
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Not quite, she's rational and with the facts behind her statements. Mr Cruz seldom has reality on his side
    Hmmm. Makes you wonder how he could have graduated No. 1 at Harvard Law School.
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hmmm. Makes you wonder how he could have graduated No. 1 at Harvard Law School.
    Yes it does make one wonder but then intelligence and capabilities in one field does not necessarily confer the capacity to a;ways function in a rational manner when called upon. Then there is the fact that high IQ has never stopped a person from doing bad things to increase their personal power or wealth.

    I have often wondered why a certain segment of the population constantly denigrates elite academic institutions as "ivory-tower, liberal, indoctrination training centres" all the while they brag about their leaders who attended the same indoctrination centres. Does make one think that the propagandists in the ivory towers aren't very good at forcing their students into the liberal, socialist side of politics.
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    Re: Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

    Quote Originally Posted by Somerville View Post
    Yes it does make one wonder but then intelligence and capabilities in one field does not necessarily confer the capacity to a;ways function in a rational manner when called upon. Then there is the fact that high IQ has never stopped a person from doing bad things to increase their personal power or wealth.

    I have often wondered why a certain segment of the population constantly denigrates elite academic institutions as "ivory-tower, liberal, indoctrination training centres" all the while they brag about their leaders who attended the same indoctrination centres. Does make one think that the propagandists in the ivory towers aren't very good at forcing their students into the liberal, socialist side of politics.
    Campus leftism is more pronounced and pernicious at the undergraduate level. Professional schools (such as law schools) are disciplined to some extent by their mission to produce real world professionals.
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