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Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

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This will pose a difficult problem for Hillary going forward to 2016.

Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

". . . Taking to the Senate floor, Ms. Warren implored her Democratic colleagues not to support the deal — and in the process threatened the entire bipartisan spending package that would avert a government shutdown. Though the bill narrowly passed the House on Thursday evening and appeared headed for passage in the Senate, Ms. Warren’s relentless fight to defeat it elevated her status as the leader of her party’s liberal base.


Her effort to lead that revolt exposed emerging rifts between the progressive wing and the centrist middle in a Democratic Party struggling to find its footing after losing its majority in the Senate and falling further into the minority in the House in the midterm elections.


It also put Ms. Warren at odds with President Obama, who supports the compromise bill despite his criticism of the provision, and other Democrats, including Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader.


Many in the party believe that their losses in November can be attributed to the lack of a muscular, coherent message about how Democrats would address economic anxieties, particularly among working-class whites.


That void offers new opportunity for Ms. Warren, whose populist leanings and fiery, us-versus-them speeches resonate well with organized labor and other workers left struggling since the financial crisis.


The groundswell that Ms. Warren helped stoke last week offered an early glimpse of the complicated 2016 presidential dynamics that the Democratic Party is now facing. . . ."


 
This will pose a difficult problem for Hillary going forward to 2016.

Battle Over Bill Exposes Dem Rift

". . . Taking to the Senate floor, Ms. Warren implored her Democratic colleagues not to support the deal — and in the process threatened the entire bipartisan spending package that would avert a government shutdown. Though the bill narrowly passed the House on Thursday evening and appeared headed for passage in the Senate, Ms. Warren’s relentless fight to defeat it elevated her status as the leader of her party’s liberal base.


Her effort to lead that revolt exposed emerging rifts between the progressive wing and the centrist middle in a Democratic Party struggling to find its footing after losing its majority in the Senate and falling further into the minority in the House in the midterm elections.


It also put Ms. Warren at odds with President Obama, who supports the compromise bill despite his criticism of the provision, and other Democrats, including Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the majority leader.


Many in the party believe that their losses in November can be attributed to the lack of a muscular, coherent message about how Democrats would address economic anxieties, particularly among working-class whites.


That void offers new opportunity for Ms. Warren, whose populist leanings and fiery, us-versus-them speeches resonate well with organized labor and other workers left struggling since the financial crisis.


The groundswell that Ms. Warren helped stoke last week offered an early glimpse of the complicated 2016 presidential dynamics that the Democratic Party is now facing. . . ."



Interesting - don't you think? The so frequently disparaged NYTimes being quoted by the conservative while the socialist quotes FoxNews

Growing divide among Senate Republicans on spending bill?

WASHINGTON – Republican aren’t mincing words about some in their own party as the political divide grows and the deadline to pass a spending bill nears.

Heading into a rare Saturday session, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell told Fox News he was surprised that GOP Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah went over his head Friday night and held up a vote on the $1.1 trillion spending bill.

A senior GOP source lashed out at Cruz and Lee, calling the move “hamfisted” and “amateurish.”
 
Democrat rift... that is a good one. This was a rift between anyone in on the deal and anyone outside the deal, which happened to be bipartisan in both instances.
 
Warren implored other Democrats to shut the government down?

jeez...that wasn't very nice of her.
 
Hmmm. Makes you wonder how he could have graduated No. 1 at Harvard Law School.

Yes it does make one wonder but then intelligence and capabilities in one field does not necessarily confer the capacity to a;ways function in a rational manner when called upon. Then there is the fact that high IQ has never stopped a person from doing bad things to increase their personal power or wealth.

I have often wondered why a certain segment of the population constantly denigrates elite academic institutions as "ivory-tower, liberal, indoctrination training centres" all the while they brag about their leaders who attended the same indoctrination centres. Does make one think that the propagandists in the ivory towers aren't very good at forcing their students into the liberal, socialist side of politics.
 
Yes it does make one wonder but then intelligence and capabilities in one field does not necessarily confer the capacity to a;ways function in a rational manner when called upon. Then there is the fact that high IQ has never stopped a person from doing bad things to increase their personal power or wealth.

I have often wondered why a certain segment of the population constantly denigrates elite academic institutions as "ivory-tower, liberal, indoctrination training centres" all the while they brag about their leaders who attended the same indoctrination centres. Does make one think that the propagandists in the ivory towers aren't very good at forcing their students into the liberal, socialist side of politics.

Campus leftism is more pronounced and pernicious at the undergraduate level. Professional schools (such as law schools) are disciplined to some extent by their mission to produce real world professionals.
 
Campus leftism is more pronounced and pernicious at the undergraduate level. Professional schools (such as law schools) are disciplined to some extent by their mission to produce real world professionals.

Elise Stefanik (R-NY21) only has a bachelor's degree from Harvard

Dinesh D'Souza (felon) BA in English from Dartmouth

Ivy League — Republicans rely on Harvard

On Nov. 4, the GOP enjoyed one of its best elections in decades. It swept to control of the Senate and padded its cushion in the House. On the Thursday after the vote, The New York Times identified six Republican names to watch: Joni Ernst (elected to the Senate from Iowa), Elise Stefanik (elected to the House from New York), Mia Love (elected to the House from Utah), Ben Sasse (elected to the Senate from Nebraska), Shelley Moore Capito (elected to the Senate from West Virginia) and Tom Cotton (elected to the Senate from Arkansas).

Stefanik, Sasse and Cotton are Harvard alums. Capito attended Duke and the University of Virginia, two quasi-Ivies.
 
Elise Stefanik (R-NY21) only has a bachelor's degree from Harvard

Dinesh D'Souza (felon) BA in English from Dartmouth

In the 112th Congress Harvard had 3 Repub alumni and 9 Dem alumni in the Senate. Harvard had 2 Repub alumni and 20 Dem alumni in the House.

[h=3]A roster of Harvard alumni in the 112th Congress | Harvard ...[/h]harvardmagazine.com/2011/01/crimson-in-congressHarvard Magazine


Jan 3, 2011 - An update on alumni on Capitol Hill. ... In the Senate, the Harvard contingent added both a Democrat, Richard Blumenthal '67 of Connecticut, ...
 
Not very meaningful without a comparison with Dems.

There is no comparison - the point, which you seem to have missed, is that the "indoctrination centres" don't appear to be indoctrinating students, they teach them stuff - stuff which may or may not have a political bent. I would venture to say that most students have a political leaning, either left or right, before they attend a university. The majority of Ivy League undergraduates end up in the business world - not politics.
 
There is no comparison - the point, which you seem to have missed, is that the "indoctrination centres" don't appear to be indoctrinating students, they teach them stuff - stuff which may or may not have a political bent. I would venture to say that most students have a political leaning, either left or right, before they attend a university. The majority of Ivy League undergraduates end up in the business world - not politics.

My #14 cancels your #15.
 
Campus leftism is more pronounced and pernicious at the undergraduate level. Professional schools (such as law schools) are disciplined to some extent by their mission to produce real world professionals.

Which would beg the question then...Why something like this happens:

"BOSTON (AP) -- Minority students at three prestigious law schools say they want to delay final exams because they've been busy protesting grand jury decisions in the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of white police officers in New York City and Ferguson, Missouri, and haven't had time to study.

Student groups at Harvard Law School, Georgetown University Law Center and Columbia Law School say demonstrations and rallies over the Eric Garner and Michael Brown cases have prevented many students from adequately preparing for exams."

Law Schools Delay Exams For Students Upset By Ferguson, Eric Garner Decisions

Poor darlings...Activism is so hard that they just can't take their tests.....As a parent with a child in college, I am so glad that is what we pay for.
 
If she keeps this up, I'll have as much respect for her as I do the Tea Partiers. They lost the mid-term election big time, they statistically are likely to lose the Presidential race, and yet this gal thinks it prudent to overextend their political capital after four years of railing against obstructionist Tea Partiers.

If the goal is to flatter strong liberals, she's winning. If the goal is to get anything meaningful done, this accomplishes nothing of the sort.
 
If she keeps this up, I'll have as much respect for her as I do the Tea Partiers. They lost the mid-term election big time, they statistically are likely to lose the Presidential race, and yet this gal thinks it prudent to overextend their political capital after four years of railing against obstructionist Tea Partiers.

If the goal is to flatter strong liberals, she's winning. If the goal is to get anything meaningful done, this accomplishes nothing of the sort.

Are you saying you are in favour of giving the Wall Street banks federal insurance in the event that playing with depositors money causes them to approach failure? A provision in the funding bill that is almost word for word from a letter sent by Citibank to Congress, you approve?
 
Which would beg the question then...Why something like this happens:

"BOSTON (AP) -- Minority students at three prestigious law schools say they want to delay final exams because they've been busy protesting grand jury decisions in the deaths of unarmed black men at the hands of white police officers in New York City and Ferguson, Missouri, and haven't had time to study.

Student groups at Harvard Law School, Georgetown University Law Center and Columbia Law School say demonstrations and rallies over the Eric Garner and Michael Brown cases have prevented many students from adequately preparing for exams."

Law Schools Delay Exams For Students Upset By Ferguson, Eric Garner Decisions

Poor darlings...Activism is so hard that they just can't take their tests.....As a parent with a child in college, I am so glad that is what we pay for.

Greetings, j-mac. :2wave:

Can you believe the chutzpah? The sad thing is that at the schools mentioned, they will probably receive a pat on the head and the exams will be delayed. That's assuming no more protests are scheduled, though! Sheesh! :thumbdown: At the college I attended, the only excuse for missing an exam was if the Highway Patrol deemed it was too chancy to drive, due to weather conditions, or you had a death in the immediate family. Period! And both were verified by the powers that be.
 
Are you saying you are in favour of giving the Wall Street banks federal insurance in the event that playing with depositors money causes them to approach failure? A provision in the funding bill that is almost word for word from a letter sent by Citibank to Congress, you approve?

Of the idea? No. Do I approve of her methods? Absolutely not. You don't act like an insurrectionist. It's no better than the messianic Tea Partiers.
 
Greetings, j-mac. :2wave:

Can you believe the chutzpah? The sad thing is that at the schools mentioned, they will probably receive a pat on the head and the exams will be delayed. That's assuming no more protests are scheduled, though! Sheesh! :thumbdown: At the college I attended, the only excuse for missing an exam was if the Highway Patrol deemed it was too chancy to drive, due to weather conditions, or you had a death in the immediate family. Period! And both were verified by the powers that be.

Hey there pol...

Yeah it's nuts...I heard on the radio in the case of Harvard, they were announcing grief counselors for those fragile souls that are just too traumatized to move forward.
 
Hey there pol...

Yeah it's nuts...I heard on the radio in the case of Harvard, they were announcing grief counselors for those fragile souls that are just too traumatized to move forward.

In many cultures they used to hire professional mourners when a person died - they still do in many parts of the world, including the ME. Now these mourners were hired to show grief at a person's death - not riot and burn buildings down, but hey, times change. Anyway, maybe we could look into that since it would not disrupt exam taking and other important events in a person's life; grief would be bought and paid for by someone who has been trained in showing grief at its finest; and the more mourners the more important the person being honored. They did a booming business in ancient Egypt, and everyone was happy to see the dead suitably honored. It sounds like a win-win to me, because they didn't even have to know the dead person - much like what is going on today. :shock:
 
In many cultures they used to hire professional mourners when a person died - they still do in many parts of the world, including the ME. Now these mourners were hired to show grief at a person's death - not riot and burn buildings down, but hey, times change. Anyway, maybe we could look into that since it would not disrupt exam taking and other important events in a person's life; grief would be bought and paid for by someone who has been trained in showing grief at its finest; and the more mourners the more important the person being honored. They did a booming business in ancient Egypt, and everyone was happy to see the dead suitably honored. It sounds like a win-win to me, because they didn't even have to know the dead person - much like what is going on today. :shock:

Yeah, just think, in a few years these grads, are going to be sporting a Harvard law degree. I sure wouldn't want to have that person as my lawyer, and have them tell me, "Sorry, I can't work for you today because something I saw on the news traumatized me..."
 
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