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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Well I don't believe this particular GJ they are putting together will be impartial.

    But I believe a properly put together GJ and an outside Prosecutor would have resulted in an indictment. As for any following trial? I don't know. I am more concerned about the integrity of the system then the results of any particular case.
    To the underlined. No you are not, especially since we know what the evidence is. There was no reason to force a GJ to indict or to take it to trial. The evidence does not support any wrong doing on the part of the Officer.
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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    There is an independent responsible body. It's called a grand jury.
    Grand juries take their lead from the prosecutor. It is almost unheard of for GJs to go against the desires of the Prosecutor. It is not an adversarial system. The Prosecutor has full control of the reins, which is ok if the Prosecutor is impartial.

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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Grand juries take their lead from the prosecutor. It is almost unheard of for GJs to go against the desires of the Prosecutor. It is not an adversarial system. The Prosecutor has full control of the reins, which is ok if the Prosecutor is impartial.
    There's no such thing as an impartial prosecuter.

    I wonder if the jokers creating this kangaroo court would be ok with all white juries judging black folks. Oh, wait...we tried that. How did that work out?
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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    To the underlined. No you are not, especially since we know what the evidence is. There was no reason to force a GJ to indict or to take it to trial. The evidence does not support any wrong doing on the part of the Officer.
    Yes I am. Forget about this particular case for a moment. ALL cases in which the potential defendent is a police officer should be investigated and prosecuted by an outside body, regardless of the races of everyone involved. I really don't care about the Brown case anymore. I am interested in future cases.

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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    It is almost unheard of for GJs to go against the desires of the Prosecutor.
    Which is not how it should be operated.


    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    It is not an adversarial system.
    And it wasn't adversarial this time either.


    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    The Prosecutor has full control of the reins, which is ok if the Prosecutor is impartial.
    Holy ****!
    If a GJ is going with the desires of the Prosecutor (ie: to get an indictment) the Prosecutor is not impartial.

    The way it was done this time is the way it should be done every time.
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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

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    African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    ST. LOUIS, MO (KTVI) – African-American community leaders say they’re taking action to put justice back into the hands of black people. They say they will convene a black grand jury on January 3rd and 4th to look at the evidence in the Michael Brown shooting.

    Those grand jury members will go over the evidence presented to the St. Louis County Grand Jury. They also say they will call Darren Wilson, County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch, Ferguson Mayor James Knowles and Governor Jay Nixon to testify.

    “What it does is educates and informs our people that two bodies came together, examined the same set of evidence, and were able to come to different conclusions. Therefore, the only thing standing between us and our ability to carry out the will of the people is to change this relationship that exists between us and the armed state apparatus that controls us.” said Omali Ye****ela of the African People’s Socialist Party.

    Regardless of the decision made by this grand jury, it will have no legal bearing on the case.


    African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting | FOX2now.com


    A predetermined conclusion?
    The idiots must think this is a good idea.
    There is no real way to make this out to be anything other than a political stunt. And yes, this is designed to get to a predetermined conclusion as that will support a future argument about the original Grand Jury process.

    In the end all that will happen, and there is no reason for any of those called to actually participate, is another excuse to burn down a store and loot the place.
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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There's no such thing as an impartial prosecuter.

    I wonder if the jokers creating this kangaroo court would be ok with all white juries judging black folks. Oh, wait...we tried that. How did that work out?
    By impartial I mean having a prosecutor who doesn't work with the people he is prosecuting. It isn't a difficult concept. Prosecutors need the support of their local police to do their job and the support of the police union when elections are involved. It is in the prosecutor's best interest not to get on the cops' bad sides.

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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Yes I am. Forget about this particular case for a moment. ALL cases in which the potential defendent is a police officer should be investigated and prosecuted by an outside body, regardless of the races of everyone involved. I really don't care about the Brown case anymore. I am interested in future cases.
    So you mean every black man shot by white cops..

    I am interested..black community say ''he was a good son..always went to church..loved his mother..worked tirelessly for charity..''

    Yet..when I look these people up on facebook..there they are, usually posing with a gun or a knife, and wearing gang colors..

    Which is it to be?

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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Yes I am. Forget about this particular case for a moment. ALL cases in which the potential defendent is a police officer should be investigated and prosecuted by an outside body, regardless of the races of everyone involved. I really don't care about the Brown case anymore. I am interested in future cases.
    A GJ is an outside and independent body.
    And since it is, an outside Prosecutor is not needed as the Prosecutors job is to enforce the law regardless if it is an Officer or not.
    So back to the Wilson case. The was no impropriety or even the appearance of such, which is the only reason to bring in an outside Prosecutor.
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    Re: African-American grand jury to examine evidence in the Michael Brown shooting

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    There is no real way to make this out to be anything other than a political stunt. And yes, this is designed to get to a predetermined conclusion as that will support a future argument about the original Grand Jury process.

    In the end all that will happen, and there is no reason for any of those called to actually participate, is another excuse to burn down a store and loot the place.
    I would be pleasantly surprised if they came to the same conclusion as the real GJ did, but even if they did I doubt that would change anything.
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