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    ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

    Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian

    “But as time went on, every time there was a problem in the camp, he was at the centre of it,” Abu Ahmed recalled. “He wanted to be the head of the prison – and when I look back now, he was using a policy of conquer and divide to get what he wanted, which was status. And it worked.” By December 2004, Baghdadi was deemed by his jailers to pose no further risk and his release was authorised.

    “He was respected very much by the US army,” Abu Ahmed said. “If he wanted to visit people in another camp he could, but we couldn’t. And all the while, a new strategy, which he was leading, was rising under their noses, and that was to build the Islamic State. If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no IS now. Bucca was a factory. It made us all. It built our ideology.”

    As Isis has rampaged through the region, it has been led by men who spent time in US detention centres during the American occupation of Iraq – in addition to Bucca, the US also ran Camp Cropper, near Baghdad airport, and, for an ill-fated 18 months early in the war, Abu Ghraib prison on the capital’s western outskirts. Many of those released from these prisons – and indeed, several senior American officers who ran detention operations – have admitted that the prisons had an incendiary effect on the insurgency.
    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

    Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
    You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

    If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Eh -- kind of convenient to say that now that the report is released. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it does have an aroma of propaganda coming from it.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

    If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.
    So ignore reality and studies that prove US foreign policy encourages terrorism for the sake of pseudo religious babble? Well, thats you.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    There will always be a reason for terrorism. It comes down to a different day, a different flavor.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
    Did you actually read your article? It explicitly states that the core leadership were already part of sunni militia groups sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and that the prison merely provided an opportunity to coalesce. US foreign policy did not create the radical ideology that fuels ISIS, that's merely a pitiful piece of propaganda pushed by those who wish to see us vacate the region altogether.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So ignore reality and studies that prove US foreign policy encourages terrorism for the sake of pseudo religious babble? Well, thats you.
    You're ignoring the fact terrorism started long before it reached our shores. '72 Olympics ring a bell with you?

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Did you actually read your article? It explicitly states that the core leadership were already part of sunni militia groups sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and that the prison merely provided an opportunity to coalesce. US foreign policy did not create the radical ideology that fuels ISIS, that's merely a pitiful piece of propaganda pushed by those who wish to see us vacate the region altogether.
    Read your own bolded part and then explain how this would have happened had there been no US prison over there and also please explain how did these Sunnis became sympathetic to AQ had the US not invaded then get back with me.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    You're ignoring the fact terrorism started long before it reached our shores. '72 Olympics ring a bell with you?
    What did the 72 Olympics have to do with the US?

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    What did the 72 Olympics have to do with the US?
    There ya go.....it didn't. Yet the terrorists were there. They don't need a reason other than the fact that the world isn't all muslim.
    It's strange that you would give credence to what a terrorist would say. They will say anything

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