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ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

SouthernDemocrat said:
We would not be fighting ISIS. ISIS is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq, an organization that did not exist until we went into Iraq. Basically the entire mess that is the Middle East today is all a direct result of our going into Iraq. That is a region that is only successfully pacified when brutal dictators are running things.
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Thats what I said. We would be fighting them somewhere else.
 
Papa bull said:
Detaining them instead of executing them as the illegal combatants they were was the failure of foreign policy. And I'm glad we figured that out and are now just droning them instead of worrying about capturing them. That's a step in the right direction and one of the few things that I think Obama has gotten right. Just vaporize their miserable asses and you don't have to worry about petty political rants about the evils of pouring water on their faces. Just shoot, shovel and shut up. Then liberals don't complain.
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Thats ridiculous. We need the intel. We just have to stop letting them go.
 
Amadeus said:
The ISIS leader is referring specifically to ISIS.
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First off, this ISIS leader is speaking to anyone dumb enough to believe him, dumb enough to buy this excuse that blames their actions on America.
 
Those saying its US policy that created ISIS, please explain how US policy forced ISIS to have this policy


- "‘It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of.’
-‘It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse.’
ISIS publishes guide telling fighters how to buy, sell and abuse captured women | Daily Mail Online

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There is no justification for this (or for decapitating children either).
 
Meister said:
You're ignoring the fact terrorism started long before it reached our shores. '72 Olympics ring a bell with you?
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The 1972 Olympics where held in Germany. At that time there had been almost no acts of terror brought to the shores of North America.

The comments in no way say Abu Graib created terrorism, but created ISIS. The distinction is great, as what the US SAYS it is fighting now is the creation of an Islamic state, not specific terrorism.

And THAT, the creation of an Islamic state, this guy is saying, was the last straw, they would never again allow a foreign power to torture its people.

How much terror was there in the middle east before the creation of Israel.

Everything is cause and effect.
 
Amadeus said:
Terrorists aren't born, they are created.
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Trite nonsense, saying nothing really. Justifying terrorism on the basis that 'the Americans made me do it' is ridiculous and simplistic.
 
a351 said:
Did you actually read your article? It explicitly states that the core leadership were already part of sunni militia groups sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and that the prison merely provided an opportunity to coalesce. US foreign policy did not create the radical ideology that fuels ISIS, that's merely a pitiful piece of propaganda pushed by those who wish to see us vacate the region altogether.
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You are missing the point, deliberately I suspect.

Being part of a militia group is NOT the issue, we all have known that. Before this "coalescing" as you put it, there was no military move to create an Islamic state, and that is the fear.

It is pretty ugly when the defenders of a government forget their own bull****
 
Fenton said:
First off, this ISIS leader is speaking to anyone dumb enough to believe him, dumb enough to buy this excuse that blames their actions on America.
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Which takes in much of the Far Left, who blames America for every evil the world has ever known. They are predictable, but even I am surprised that when it comes down to a choice between ISIS and America, they choose ISIS. I probably shouldn't be, however, given their past history.
 
1750Texan said:
You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.
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And whom would be the "devil"?

Is it people you can never know, never accept?

Or is it an administration who writes confusing laws to fool "stupid voters"? A president who claimed "you can keep your plan...", a CIA who has lied consistently AND lied to congress? Or is it an administration that uses the IRS to harass opponents?

There's a lot to chose from.

I suggest your theology is unsound....you are trying to chose between to hells.
 
mike2810 said:
Those saying its US policy that created ISIS, please explain how US policy forced ISIS to have this policy


- "‘It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of.’
-‘It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse.’
ISIS publishes guide telling fighters how to buy, sell and abuse captured women | Daily Mail Online

Cookies must be enabled. | The Australian
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The US didn't cause those policies within ISIS, the US invasion helped facilitate ISIS' rise to power. The invasion destabilized the power structure within the Middle East, which ISIS took advantage of.

 
Fearandloathing said:
Being part of a militia group is NOT the issue, we all have known that. Before this "coalescing" as you put it, there was no military move to create an Islamic state, and that is the fear.
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There was ample motivation and ideological backing. I won't deny that our exit and the feckless Iraqi security forces enabled their rapid ascension, but to blame the US for the ideals that fuels ISIS and similar groups is just mal-informed apologism, which unfortunately isn't uncommon on this forum.

It is pretty ugly when the defenders of a government forget their own bull****
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Hollow and useless rhetoric.
 
ISIS doesn't stem from Iraq prisons. It starts with a fascist ideology that teaches their children to hate those they believe to be infidels. Then infighting between parties of the same ideology occur over power.
 
Fenton said:
First off, this ISIS leader is speaking to anyone dumb enough to believe him, dumb enough to buy this excuse that blames their actions on America.
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It is an ignorance that is so profound that facts alone can never penetrate.

The Islamic Holy War has been going on for 2100 years, with varying degrees of success. They now have control over the Middle East, with the exception of Israel, are successfully moving into Africa, Asia, North America and have the momentum on their side. These people who think it's all about the USA simply have no understanding of Islamism or what's going on in the rest of the world. They are as ignorant as those who once defended Communism, Fascism or any of the other Isms which have rocked the world.

The message of Muslims who are trying to warn the west of Islamic intentions goes unnoticed, or is ridiculed, or is silenced. Islamists, like the Communists before them, rely strongly on Western ignorance. http://www.clarionproject.org/understanding-jihad/
 
Grant said:
It is an ignorance that is so profound that facts alone can never penetrate.

The Islamic Holy War has been going on for 2100 years, with varying degrees of success. They now have control over the Middle East, with the exception of Israel, are successfully moving into Africa, Asia, North America and have the momentum on their side. These people who think it's all about the USA simply have no understanding of Islamism or what's going on in the rest of the world. They are as ignorant as those who once defended Communism, Fascism or any of the other Isms which have rocked the world.

The message of Muslims who are trying to warn the west of Islamic intentions goes unnoticed, or is ridiculed, or is silenced. Islamists, like the Communists before them, rely strongly on Western ignorance. Understanding Jihad - THE ISLAMIC HOLY WAR
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You're conflating the rise of ISIS with the Islamic sectarianism. The two are linked, but exist independently. It's the height of ignorance to say that America played no part in the rise of ISIS. It shows a complete and utter lack of acknowledgement of even recent history (which is impossible to escape).
 
Fearandloathing said:
The 1972 Olympics where held in Germany. At that time there had been almost no acts of terror brought to the shores of North America.

The comments in no way say Abu Graib created terrorism, but created ISIS. The distinction is great, as what the US SAYS it is fighting now is the creation of an Islamic state, not specific terrorism.

And THAT, the creation of an Islamic state, this guy is saying, was the last straw, they would never again allow a foreign power to torture its people.

How much terror was there in the middle east before the creation of Israel.

Everything is cause and effect.
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Israel has been used as a propaganda tool by the Islamists, and very successfully, largely because of western antipathy towards Jews anyway. But of course even a cursory reading of Islamic history will reveal that the spread of Islam has been a goal of the religion since its inception, and the Muslim Brotherhood (supporters of ISIS) have been been around for almost a century now. It was never about Israel, always about Islam. Always.
 
Amadeus said:
You're conflating the rise of ISIS with the Islamic sectarianism. The two are linked, but exist independently. It's the height of ignorance to say that America played no part in the rise of ISIS. It shows a complete and utter lack of acknowledgement of even recent history (which is impossible to escape).
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Well Im going by what Muslims themselves say, not what American leftists might think about it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
The 1972 Olympics where held in Germany. At that time there had been almost no acts of terror brought to the shores of North America.

The comments in no way say Abu Graib created terrorism, but created ISIS. The distinction is great, as what the US SAYS it is fighting now is the creation of an Islamic state, not specific terrorism.

And THAT, the creation of an Islamic state, this guy is saying, was the last straw, they would never again allow a foreign power to torture its people.

How much terror was there in the middle east before the creation of Israel.

Everything is cause and effect.
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ISIS would be here with or without what the US did, just look where their roots are.
But, if you want to hang your hat on what a terrorist said right after the report came out.....feel free. It's your God given right.
 
j-mac said:
Why yes, because the 7th century liars, and beheaders would never lie about anything....:roll: Man you guys just lap it up don't you?
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Yup, there are a lot of people who truly do hate America.....and they are Americans.
 
j-mac said:
Why yes, because the 7th century liars, and beheaders would never lie about anything....:roll: Man you guys just lap it up don't you?
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The left instinctively believes any anti American propaganda and has done so at least since the Communist Revolution. Maybe earlier but that's the only part that has interested me.
 
Meister said:
Yup, there are a lot of people who truly do hate America.....and they are Americans.
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It's like having a nation of Quislings within a nation.

How America become the hope of the world into the source of international terrorism is due solely to the effective propaganda so easily absorbed by those born with leftist inclinations. Maturity may cure or alleviate this condition but is not always successful.
 
a351 said:
There was ample motivation and ideological backing. I won't deny that our exit and the feckless Iraqi security forces enabled their rapid ascension, but to blame the US for the ideals that fuels ISIS and similar groups is just mal-informed apologism, which unfortunately isn't uncommon on this forum.



Hollow and useless rhetoric.
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no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

FFS, stay on point.


Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
 
Grant said:
The left instinctively believes any anti American propaganda and has done so at least since the Communist Revolution. Maybe earlier but that's the only part that has interested me.
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Yup anything critical of American foreign policy is just "anti-American propaganda". Murica does no wrong. Plus those damn commies...
 
Fearandloathing said:
no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

FFS, stay on point.


Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
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No way he'd capitalize on something like...oh....I don't know, say a report that outlines America as responsible for his actions or something?
 
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