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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why yes, because the 7th century liars, and beheaders would never lie about anything.... Man you guys just lap it up don't you?
    The left instinctively believes any anti American propaganda and has done so at least since the Communist Revolution. Maybe earlier but that's the only part that has interested me.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    Yup, there are a lot of people who truly do hate America.....and they are Americans.
    It's like having a nation of Quislings within a nation.

    How America become the hope of the world into the source of international terrorism is due solely to the effective propaganda so easily absorbed by those born with leftist inclinations. Maturity may cure or alleviate this condition but is not always successful.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    There was ample motivation and ideological backing. I won't deny that our exit and the feckless Iraqi security forces enabled their rapid ascension, but to blame the US for the ideals that fuels ISIS and similar groups is just mal-informed apologism, which unfortunately isn't uncommon on this forum.



    Hollow and useless rhetoric.
    no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

    FFS, stay on point.


    Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

    That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The left instinctively believes any anti American propaganda and has done so at least since the Communist Revolution. Maybe earlier but that's the only part that has interested me.
    Yup anything critical of American foreign policy is just "anti-American propaganda". Murica does no wrong. Plus those damn commies...


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

    FFS, stay on point.


    Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

    That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
    No way he'd capitalize on something like...oh....I don't know, say a report that outlines America as responsible for his actions or something?
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Yup anything critical of American foreign policy is just "anti-American propaganda". Murica does no wrong. Plus those damn commies...
    In this case, you just made the point....Good job.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No way he'd capitalize on something like...oh....I don't know, say a report that outlines America as responsible for his actions or something?
    I'm disappointed that you didn't call anyone a pussy in this post. You were on a real hot streak there.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    no one I have seen anywhere have tried to blame the US for the ideology.

    FFS, stay on point.


    Once again as simply as I can, the issue is the creation of an Islamic state, the furthest extreme of terrorists to date, a base for further revenge against their enemies.

    That, according to the OP, grew directly out of Abu Graib. Differ with the head of ISIS if you like, he was there and you were not
    Their 'enemies' are anyone who is not Muslim, though they can be included as well.

    Minor incidents like Abu Ghraib, blown out of all proportion as torture, etc., serves only as a propaganda tool and an excuse to carry out further attacks on the West. There are many incidents Islamists can point to which will be used to justify their attacks and that's just one of them. Of course the main Islamist justification for murdering innocent people has always been Israel, but history could provide dozens of slights.

    Of course Western democracies, using similar criteria, could drop bombs all over Muslim countries, but we don't. The difference in why we don't and they do should be obvious..

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    In this case, you just made the point....Good job.
    How so? By mocking jingoism?


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    How so? By mocking jingoism?
    If that is what you were after, you failed.
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