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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We would not be fighting ISIS. ISIS is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq, an organization that did not exist until we went into Iraq. Basically the entire mess that is the Middle East today is all a direct result of our going into Iraq. That is a region that is only successfully pacified when brutal dictators are running things.
    Thats what I said. We would be fighting them somewhere else.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Papa bull View Post
    Detaining them instead of executing them as the illegal combatants they were was the failure of foreign policy. And I'm glad we figured that out and are now just droning them instead of worrying about capturing them. That's a step in the right direction and one of the few things that I think Obama has gotten right. Just vaporize their miserable asses and you don't have to worry about petty political rants about the evils of pouring water on their faces. Just shoot, shovel and shut up. Then liberals don't complain.
    Thats ridiculous. We need the intel. We just have to stop letting them go.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    The ISIS leader is referring specifically to ISIS.
    First off, this ISIS leader is speaking to anyone dumb enough to believe him, dumb enough to buy this excuse that blames their actions on America.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Those saying its US policy that created ISIS, please explain how US policy forced ISIS to have this policy


    - "‘It is permissible to buy, sell, or give as a gift female captives and slaves, for they are merely property, which can be disposed of.’
    -‘It is permissible to have intercourse with the female slave who hasn’t reached puberty if she is fit for intercourse.’
    ISIS publishes guide telling fighters how to buy, sell and abuse captured women | Daily Mail Online

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    There is no justification for this (or for decapitating children either).

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Meister View Post
    You're ignoring the fact terrorism started long before it reached our shores. '72 Olympics ring a bell with you?


    The 1972 Olympics where held in Germany. At that time there had been almost no acts of terror brought to the shores of North America.

    The comments in no way say Abu Graib created terrorism, but created ISIS. The distinction is great, as what the US SAYS it is fighting now is the creation of an Islamic state, not specific terrorism.

    And THAT, the creation of an Islamic state, this guy is saying, was the last straw, they would never again allow a foreign power to torture its people.

    How much terror was there in the middle east before the creation of Israel.

    Everything is cause and effect.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    Terrorists aren't born, they are created.
    Trite nonsense, saying nothing really. Justifying terrorism on the basis that 'the Americans made me do it' is ridiculous and simplistic.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Did you actually read your article? It explicitly states that the core leadership were already part of sunni militia groups sympathetic to Al Qaeda, and that the prison merely provided an opportunity to coalesce. US foreign policy did not create the radical ideology that fuels ISIS, that's merely a pitiful piece of propaganda pushed by those who wish to see us vacate the region altogether.
    You are missing the point, deliberately I suspect.

    Being part of a militia group is NOT the issue, we all have known that. Before this "coalescing" as you put it, there was no military move to create an Islamic state, and that is the fear.

    It is pretty ugly when the defenders of a government forget their own bull****
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    First off, this ISIS leader is speaking to anyone dumb enough to believe him, dumb enough to buy this excuse that blames their actions on America.
    Which takes in much of the Far Left, who blames America for every evil the world has ever known. They are predictable, but even I am surprised that when it comes down to a choice between ISIS and America, they choose ISIS. I probably shouldn't be, however, given their past history.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    You believe what the devil tells you. He tells you what you want to hear to deceive you.

    If you listen to the Devil you want and he wants.
    And whom would be the "devil"?

    Is it people you can never know, never accept?

    Or is it an administration who writes confusing laws to fool "stupid voters"? A president who claimed "you can keep your plan...", a CIA who has lied consistently AND lied to congress? Or is it an administration that uses the IRS to harass opponents?

    There's a lot to chose from.

    I suggest your theology is unsound....you are trying to chose between to hells.
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