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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Which is the mirror opposite of the Golden Rule - treat others the way you want to be treated.

    So it is only natural - **** with someone and they'll **** with you.

    Yeah, I get that -- I still find it convenient, timing and all. But, perhaps they were aiming for maximum effect.
    One is a Rule, the other merely an observation.

    Are the chickens coming home to roost, as far as the decades-long brutalization of the Mideast by US policy?

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    Whats the alternative, let them keep killing people who dont agree with their religion? Thats what got them in prison in the first place. That prison doesnt rehabilitate violent criminals is no surprise. What this proves is that you can never let them out.
    We have to do what we are doing over there today, there is no real alternative at this point. However, we should not forget that had we never gone into Iraq back in 2003 and continued the policy of containment and thus left Saddam in power, there would be no ISIS today.

    If you throw a grenade in an outhouse there is going to be **** everywhere, but lets not forget who the bunch were that wanted to do it in first place.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    One is a Rule, the other merely an observation.

    Are the chickens coming home to roost, as far as the decades-long brutalization of the Mideast by US policy?
    Blowback has never stopped from our involvement in the Middle East -- actions/reactions.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

    Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian

    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
    I am not entirely convinced ISIS exists exclusively because of US Prisons in Iraq. But I will stipulate that the images of what we did there did nothing but help anger future generations. It also did not help things that we installed a government in Iraq that ultimately took groups within the nation and politically and socially isolated them from representation. Right or wrong, that was bound to cause eventual problems among a people that historically do not get along.

    What we cannot forget is the majority of those that make up ISIS today have been there a very long time, being able to now take advantage of a long term multiple way civil war in one nation and a weakened military and government in another. The former the US has some culpability in, the latter is almost entirely our fault. But what they are fighting is ideological, rooted in religion that is totally incompatible with more western governmental thinking.

    What I would offer as the main ingredient to ensuring ISIS happened is our long term confusing and hypocritical foreign policy filled with plenty of images along the way that was sure to upset plenty of people.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    While I certainly don't believe what I hear from ISIS it is hard to deny that they would not be the force they are today without our actions.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Was there Al-Qaeda in Iraq before the US invaded? No. Was there after? Yes.


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    We have to do what we are doing over there today, there is no real alternative at this point. However, we should not forget that had we never gone into Iraq back in 2003 and continued the policy of containment and thus left Saddam in power, there would be no ISIS today.

    If you throw a grenade in an outhouse there is going to be **** everywhere, but lets not forget who the bunch were that wanted to do it in first place.
    And we would be fighting them somewhere else. In Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Thats because the enemy uses anything and everything as an excuse to murder people.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by jonny5 View Post
    And we would be fighting them somewhere else. In Iran or Egypt or Saudi Arabia. Thats because the enemy uses anything and everything as an excuse to murder people.
    We would not be fighting ISIS. ISIS is a direct result of Al Qaeda in Iraq, an organization that did not exist until we went into Iraq. Basically the entire mess that is the Middle East today is all a direct result of our going into Iraq. That is a region that is only successfully pacified when brutal dictators are running things.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Glad to know the op takes isis statements for gospel. You are a great american

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    It's about what you get when you take down a dictator that was fully contained and in no way a threat to the United States. Had we never gone into Iraq, and just merely continued the policy of containment, there would be no ISIS today.
    That's hard to say. Given the turmoil in the Middle East, it's not unlikely that there would have been a revolt against Saddam Hussein that would then escalate into a sectarian civil war (similar to Syria) that would enable Sunni extremists to establish a foothold in Iraq.

    Was invading Iraq a good policy choice? No. Did our invasion act as a catalyst for Sunni vs. Shia strife? Absolutely. But the causes of the rise of ISIS are much more complex than that; they can be traced to the deliberate sectarianism of Saddam and to the colonial boundaries that created artificial nation-states.
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