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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    ISIS are just a band of psychopathic murderer's who even violate fellow Muslims..

    This ain't about America or anyone else..

    It is power they seek..Muslim or not..

    And they've got it...endless funding..training camps..I hear that now in parts of Syria..people have to pay a tax to drive up certain roads...

    This has nothing to do with Islam..

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Read your own bolded part and then explain how this would have happened had there been no US prison over there and also please explain how did these Sunnis became sympathetic to AQ had the US not invaded then get back with me.
    Al Qaeda self identifies as sunni fundamentalists, and did so well before the invasion of Iraq. You're citing US foreign policy for the creation of Terrorists, when in fact it was our premature exit from the region that gave them the opportunity and vaccumm in which to act on their impulses.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

    Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
    Let's for a minute credit that after the Iraq invasion/war in 2003, many of the current IS leadership who just happened to be leading commanders in Saddam Hussein's army were imprisoned for crimes against the Iraqi people. Let's also credit that they "coalesced" in the common prison used by the Iraqis and Americans to house them while they served their sentences.

    How does that lead to the rampage that is IS in Syria and Iraq today? You are aware that these "leaders" were for the most part Saddam's henchmen when he was in charge, using chemical weapons to gas the Kurds in the north and using all means of far more egregious torture tactics against Saddam's own people than America would ever dream of. And if America created them, why aren't they reserving their rampage and atrocities strictly for Americans? Why are Syrian and Kurdish and even fellow Sunni Iraqis being slaughtered by the thousands in resistance of a Muslim caliphate? What did these people do to "offend" these leaders you now want to credit with honest reflection?

    These "leaders" actually got off lightly - most were imprisoned for a few short years before the new Iraqi government released them. Perhaps the only error in this regard that America made was not executing all of them or insisting on their imprisonment for life.

    America didn't create this - Islamic fascism and hateful teachings did that long before America ever got involved with Iraq.
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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    What did the 72 Olympics have to do with the US?
    An American was killed.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    So ignore reality and studies that prove US foreign policy encourages terrorism for the sake of pseudo religious babble? Well, thats you.
    The reality is that we can play "who did what first" all way back to the creation of Islam in the 7th century.

    ISIL has no need for a reason for provocation. They do as they wish. They make up their reasoning and justification as they go along.


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    Read your own bolded part and then explain how this would have happened had there been no US prison over there and also please explain how did these Sunnis became sympathetic to AQ had the US not invaded then get back with me.
    It's not about prisoners... ISIS has plenty prisoners itself. It's not only about the US either... as ISIS despises all Shia nations and most ME Sunni governments.

    What it is about is power, dominance, and an Islamist caliphate that is governed under a strict interpretation of Sharia Law .


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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Jango View Post
    Eh -- kind of convenient to say that now that the report is released. I'm not saying it isn't true, but it does have an aroma of propaganda coming from it.
    Of course it is either true, or it is false.

    I think there is a very large element of truth in the old saying that "those to whom evil is done, do evil in return." That, credit to W.H. Auden in WWII.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    Of course it is either true, or it is false.

    I think there is a very large element of truth in the old saying that "those to whom evil is done, do evil in return." That, credit to W.H. Auden in WWII.
    Which is the mirror opposite of the Golden Rule - treat others the way you want to be treated.

    So it is only natural - **** with someone and they'll **** with you.

    Yeah, I get that -- I still find it convenient, timing and all. But, perhaps they were aiming for maximum effect.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by PoS View Post
    ISIS leader: "If there was no American prison in Iraq, there would be no ISIS"

    Isis: the inside story | Martin Chulov | World news | The Guardian



    There you go, straight from the horses' mouth. Pretty damning evidence that US foreign policy fuels the creation of terrorists.
    Whats the alternative, let them keep killing people who dont agree with their religion? Thats what got them in prison in the first place. That prison doesnt rehabilitate violent criminals is no surprise. What this proves is that you can never let them out.

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    Re: ISIS leader: If There Was No US Prison in Iraq There Would Have Been No ISIS

    Quote Originally Posted by Simpleχity View Post
    It's not about prisoners... ISIS has plenty prisoners itself. It's not only about the US either... as ISIS despises all Shia nations and most ME Sunni governments.

    What it is about is power, dominance, and an Islamist caliphate that is governed under a strict interpretation of Sharia Law .
    It's about what you get when you take down a dictator that was fully contained and in no way a threat to the United States. Had we never gone into Iraq, and just merely continued the policy of containment, there would be no ISIS today.
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