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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's that phrasing again. "Supposed to."

    Why do people keep declaring that minimum wage isn't "supposed to" let you feed yourself?
    Perhaps because it's presumed by the time someone is of working age, they are "supposed to" figure out what it will take to eat. I guess you're admitting those chronically paid at minimum wage have yet to learn that basic human instinct.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps because it's presumed by the time someone is of working age, they are "supposed to" figure out what it will take to eat. I guess you're admitting those chronically paid at minimum wage have yet to learn that basic human instinct.
    And in the real world where a sufficient number of higher-paying jobs literally don't exist, what then?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    And in the real world where a sufficient number of higher-paying jobs literally don't exist, what then?
    Create them on your own, work smarter, or starve. In it's basic form, what other alternatives are there? Slavery to a task master who will always hold the strings?

    I worked in a gas station and washed dishes in a restaurant in High School. Put myself through college and grad school by working as a auto mechanic and a janitor at night. I don't understand the thinking that goes in to believing $3 more per hour will save a family.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Create them on your own, work smarter, or starve. In it's basic form, what other alternatives are there? Slavery to a task master who will always hold the strings?

    I worked in a gas station and washed dishes in a restaurant in High School. Put myself through college and grad school by working as a auto mechanic and a janitor at night. I don't understand the thinking that goes in to believing $3 more per hour will save a family.
    Do you think it's possible for everyone to do this?

    Not any individual person. Of course any individual person can theoretically do this. Can everyone do this?
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Do you think it's possible for everyone to do this?

    Not any individual person. Of course any individual person can theoretically do this. Can everyone do this?
    Forget theoretical. Why not? Some will do well, others will discover a different path they never considered, and still others will struggle, perhaps forever. For me, handing me $3-4/hr more, and in effect telling me to go away, all is well now, is a significant insult. This "living wage" crap is one of the most insulting and arrogant agendas I've seen come down the pipe in a long time.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There's that phrasing again. "Supposed to."

    Why do people keep declaring that minimum wage isn't "supposed to" let you feed yourself?
    The minimum wage is an arbitrary price floor set to prevent employers from paying for labour below a certain level. All it means is that it is illegal to hire an employee who earns an hourly wage below that arbitrary level, with certain exceptions. That's it. You can't tie it to inflation, nor would it make sense to do such a mundane thing. It's not tied to the cost of living. If you want to make sure people have the ability to feed themselves, there are plenty of intelligent ways of doing that aside from indexing the minimum wage to inflation.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Forget theoretical. Why not? Some will do well, others will discover a different path they never considered, and still others will struggle, perhaps forever. For me, handing me $3-4/hr more, and in effect telling me to go away, all is well now, is a significant insult. This "living wage" crap is one of the most insulting and arrogant agendas I've seen come down the pipe in a long time.
    The idea that people should be able to feed themselves on a full time job is arrogant and insulting? The idea that fast food workers are worth more than the pittance that you deem them worthy of is insulting?

    Sure buddy. Sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    The minimum wage is an arbitrary price floor set to prevent employers from paying for labour below a certain level. All it means is that it is illegal to hire an employee who earns an hourly wage below that arbitrary level, with certain exceptions. That's it. You can't tie it to inflation, nor would it make sense to do such a mundane thing. It's not tied to the cost of living. If you want to make sure people have the ability to feed themselves, there are plenty of intelligent ways of doing that aside from indexing the minimum wage to inflation.
    That's it? It's arbitrary? Just because? Nobody had any reason for it?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The idea that people should be able to feed themselves on a full time job is arrogant and insulting? The idea that fast food workers are worth more than the pittance that you deem them worthy of is insulting?

    Sure buddy. Sure.
    No, I was referring to the arrogance and insulting attitude of someone like yourself defining for another what a living was. "Here's another $30/day. Now you have a living, because I said so". Disgusting.

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    Re: Study: The 2007 minimum wage hike cost more than 1 million jobs during the recess

    Quote Originally Posted by WallStreetVixen View Post
    The minimum wage is an arbitrary price floor set to prevent employers from paying for labour below a certain level. All it means is that it is illegal to hire an employee who earns an hourly wage below that arbitrary level, with certain exceptions. That's it. You can't tie it to inflation, nor would it make sense to do such a mundane thing. It's not tied to the cost of living. If you want to make sure people have the ability to feed themselves, there are plenty of intelligent ways of doing that aside from indexing the minimum wage to inflation.
    If there is a need for it to exist at all, which of course is arguable, then there is a need for it to be tied to inflation.
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