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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

Grant said:
Yes, you can link as well but the links provided earlier were direct quotes and clear policy, not speculation by someone from Slate..
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And as I said, meaningless. Once 9/11 happened, the dynamics changed. He could have focused on effective strategies. He didn't. He used Iraq, and overreaction, and helped OBL (the second part of the claim).
 
Moon said:
We held something like 425000 German POWs on US soil during WWII. How many were brought to trial?
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Japanese internment camps, rounded up and incarcerated only because they were of Japanese ancestry, and nothing more. History repeated itself after 9/11/01 when our government rounded up and detained Muslims without due process, denied access to legal counsel.
 
AJiveMan said:
Japanese internment camps, rounded up and incarcerated only because they were of Japanese ancestry, and nothing more. History repeated itself after 9/11/01 when our government rounded up and detained Muslims without due process, denied access to legal counsel.
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Yep, the same thing happened. Innocent Japanese and innocent Muslims all detained by the evil Amwericans.

What do you suppose it is that makes people in America so evil?
 
Boo Radley said:
And as I said, meaningless. Once 9/11 happened, the dynamics changed. He could have focused on effective strategies. He didn't. He used Iraq, and overreaction, and helped OBL (the second part of the claim).
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Maybe you missed something or have a handicap of some sort, but it has been pointed out to you more than once that Bush had the his eye on Iraq before 9/11. Before 9/11! Before 9/11!, just as other politicians and Presidents did.

Before 9/11!
 
Grant said:
Maybe you missed something or have a handicap of some sort, but it has been pointed out to you more than once that Bush had the his eye on Iraq before 9/11. Before 9/11! Before 9/11!, just as other politicians and Presidents did.

Before 9/11!
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Do you have a handicap or something?

Or, are you using Dragon and naturally talk like Bugs Bunny?

Grant said:
Yep, the same thing happened. Innocent Japanese and innocent Muslims all detained by the evil Amwericans.

What do you suppose it is that makes people in America so evil?
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Grant said:
Yep, the same thing happened. Innocent Japanese and innocent Muslims all detained by the evil Amwericans.

What do you suppose it is that makes people in America so evil?
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The wicked influence of the Old Testament?
 
Henry David said:
The wicked influence of the Old Testament?
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yes, this book was distributed among all the first world countries and with devastating results. While those who followed Confucius Hinduism, the Koran, etc. were making tremendous advances in their countries the First World kept falling behind to the point we see now.
There are statistics claiming that despite all the money being spent on education in the United States the results have been greatly disappointing and that ignorance is now becoming quite wide-spread. Can you explain this phenomenon?
 
Grant said:
Maybe you missed something or have a handicap of some sort, but it has been pointed out to you more than once that Bush had the his eye on Iraq before 9/11. Before 9/11! Before 9/11!, just as other politicians and Presidents did.

Before 9/11!
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I keep telling you that makes no difference at all. None. Nada. No one else invaded, and Bush used 9/11, and helped OBL out.
 
Grant said:
Yep, the same thing happened. Innocent Japanese and innocent Muslims all detained by the evil Amwericans.

What do you suppose it is that makes people in America so evil?
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ajiveman said:
do you have a handicap or something?

Or, are you using dragon and naturally talk like bugs bunny?
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Grant said:
yes, this book was distributed among all the first world countries and with devastating results. While those who followed Confucius Hinduism, the Koran, etc. were making tremendous advances in their countries the First World kept falling behind to the point we see now.
There are statistics claiming that despite all the money being spent on education in the United States the results have been greatly disappointing and that ignorance is now becoming quite wide-spread. Can you explain this phenomenon?
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Organized religion is a tool that helps keep the masses ignorant and superstitious, and of course obedient to authority, no questions asked. Faith is encouraged over reason.
 
Henry David said:
Organized religion is a tool that helps keep the masses ignorant and superstitious, and of course obedient to authority, no questions asked. Faith is encouraged over reason.
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Are you certain of that?
 
Jack Hays said:
Your view is not only at variance with the historical record, it is foolish.
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It is nothing of the kind, and the view is shared by a few. Did you read Imperial Hubris?
 
JUG said:
I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory
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That is incorrect. Nothing in the EIT program was intended as punishment, it was intended as interrogation. Once inmates became compliant, they get treated pretty well - all the free healthcare and whatnot you could like. The Gitmo Detainees have all gained weight and are in better health now than they were when they were brought in.

I've heard from my professor
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A suggestion: this is not a phrase that lends credibility to anything that follows it.

that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process
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Your professor is apparently clueless. The consequence of closing Gitmo would most likely be that we send these inmates to other nations. Those who claim to be worried about the oh-so-precious-feelings of terrorists who would mass-murder innocents with joy would not like to hear about the way in which they are often treated in prisons overseas. If you think Gitmo is bad, feel free to spend some time dealing with the interrogators of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia :).

Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written.
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:shrug: The man is doing what he was trained to do. Seeking and attacking a weakness in his enemy. In this case, our media's willingness to promulgate stories that show the mean ole US in a bad light to weaken the willingness of the U.S. populace to defend themselves.
 
Grant said:
Like all leftists, you really should adopt new theories. Especially when the evidence is placed in front of view. As well, you are giving OBL far too much credit.

As the article posted by Jack Hays says"

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um. Clinton was also using 9/11 to justify regime change in Iraq!!!

........ :thinking
 
Grant said:
Are you certain of that?
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With 16 years of Roman Catholic education, including 4 with the Jesuits, yes I am certain of that.

Admittedly cynical, but cynicism does not necessarily exclude accuracy.
 
Henry David said:
With 16 years of Roman Catholic education, including 4 with the Jesuits, yes I am certain of that.

Admittedly cynical, but cynicism does not necessarily exclude accuracy.
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The question was rhetorical in that you are just as certain of your faith as they are in theirs. I've read some of your posts and they also seem to reflect strongly held beliefs.
 
Grant said:
Apologies for any confusion. Clinton supported regime change in Iraq in 1998.Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Then there is this CNN.com - Clinton defends successor's push for war - Jun 19, 2004

Of course his opinion did lack consistency. After Supporting War, Bill Clinton Now Blames Bush for Iraq | National Review Online
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Oh. Then Clinton supported regime change because he wanted to get revenge for the assassination attempts against his father?

I'm so confused. I mean, obviously regime change in Iraq wasn't just such blindingly obvious good policy that it had broad bipartisan support, so obviously there had to be a secret, ulterior motive...
 
cpwill said:
Oh. Then Clinton supported regime change because he wanted to get revenge for the assassination attempts against his father?

I'm so confused. I mean, obviously regime change in Iraq wasn't just such blindingly obvious good policy that it had broad bipartisan support, so obviously there had to be a secret, ulterior motive...
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In fact there were questions raised about Bill's father and his involvement with extreme elements. Or maybe it was Billy Carter.

Well, in any case, Presidents can change their minds about war depending on the domestic political situation at any given time, as can their wives, and we should learn to ignore their historical revisions out of respect for the office.. I think we can all agree with that.
 
Grant said:
The question was rhetorical in that you are just as certain of your faith as they are in theirs. I've read some of your posts and they also seem to reflect strongly held beliefs.
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I guess I forgot to tell you that I lost my religion about 20 years ago. :peace
 
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