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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

radioman said:
I dunno.
I guess because I thought that was the purpose of EIT methods?
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That would be a golden nugget. They are very rare. But many other things are said during interrogations. They can be correlated with information gathered in a variety of other ways.
 
radioman said:
Why are you so stuck on bodily functions?

I can't help you with all of this, but as a parent, I can offer advice with the bedwetting problem.
No liquids after dinner.
In your case, no grapefruit wine after dinner.
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This was pretty funny.
 
JasperL said:
I see, soldiers who put their lives on the line for all of us are traitors, because they disagree with you and believe this country actually stands for important principles, among them basic human rights. Thanks for the explanation.
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You have sided with the traitor.

It is clear what you are.
 
JasperL said:
Some were absolutely innocent - turned in by bounty hunters. But they have no rights, and should expect none in our custody. Got it.
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We have an obligation and the self interest to determine the status of any detainee. Most of the time that is pretty quick. Sometimes it takes longer. Once an individual has been determined to be an unlawful combatant the only right they have is to an execution.

The massive Wiki you pointed to indicates that the majority of the people were released. That is exactly what I would expect. What did you expect?
 
JasperL said:
I believe things asserted by multiple sources, with no particular incentive to lie, such as the Red Cross, innocents detained at GITMO and others.

Not sure why you wouldn't believe them too. You're cheering what they alleged happened! You should be glad they let us all know the U.S. interrogators have respected the rights of detainees - not at all - consistent with your recommendations. Torture, get information....
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It is not torture unless you want it to be. We made people uncomfortable in order to get their information. We all have an agenda. You do. The Red Cross does, I do.

Yes. I believe we were well served by the men and women who stepped up and prevented additional attacks. And you side with our enemies. You sie with a traitor who has severely damaged the US. She may have done more damage to this nation than anyone other than Obama, Boehner, and McConnell. Not even Feinstein could out do the damage those three have done.
 
What twisted minds and mental gymnastics are necessary to think that it was the revealing of the torture, and not the torture itself, that "emboldens our enemies" and is treasonous. You really have to just be:

1) So partisan that it's insane
2) Insane
 
JasperL said:
Right, they were not unlawful combatants - innocent men, committed no crime, picked up by mistake or turned in by bounty hunters for the reward money. Etc.
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Many were captured. Prior to a determination of their status they are detainees. Most were released within a few days to a few weeks. We have no interest in people who are not waging war against us. Some took longer. You already know that it is true that most people who were detained were released. What point are you trying to make?
 
Misterveritis said:
Many were captured. Prior to a determination of their status they are detainees. Most were released within a few days to a few weeks. We have no interest in people who are not waging war against us. Some took longer. You already know that it is true that most people who were detained were released. What point are you trying to make?
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So, no part of you cares that we extraordinarily renditioned, detained, and tortured dozens of people who were innocent?
 
CMPancake said:
Have you read the torture report?

Because this post makes one assume you didn't read the report.
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I have already said I have not read it. I doubt many have. Have you?
It is 6,000 pages of cherry-picked items. No CIA agents were interviewed. The CIA disputes it.

Our enemies will read it.
 
Misterveritis said:
I have already said I have not read it. I doubt many have. Have you?
It is 6,000 pages of cherry-picked items. No CIA agents were interviewed. The CIA disputes it.

Our enemies will read it.
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Who gives a **** if our enemies read it? That's a ridiculous argument.
 
JasperL said:
1) I don't support the drone bombing program, but that's a different discussion.
2) You're citing a wrong to defend another wrong.
3) I'm not aware we target women and children. That's terrorism. Are you asserting the U.S. is a terrorist organization?
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We killed American citizens without any due process. We routinely kill family members and bystanders with drone strikes. But that is okay compared to making someone uncomfortable. If we threaten to blow up your kids but don't do it that is horrendous. But if we actually do it that is okay so long as we don't threaten someone first?

Between you and me, I would prefer that someone threaten that they will kill my children but don't instead of just going ahead and shredding them.
 
JasperL said:
OK, if we hold them, they're guilty. Got it. Why not just solve the GITMO problem with a mass execution?
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For each person who has been determined to be an unlawful combatant it seems a hearing, conviction and execution is appropriate. It cannot be that massive. Obama has been trading generals for deserters, releasing others to countries that formerly accepted national socialists on the run. How many are left?
 
Misterveritis said:
I have already said I have not read it. I doubt many have. Have you?
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I have, actually. It some pretty horrible stuff in there.
Misterveritis said:
It is 6,000 pages of cherry-picked items. No CIA agents were interviewed. The CIA disputes it.
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From what I've seen, the CIA is disputing not the report itself but whether it was acceptable for the Senate to publicize the Torture report. Not once has CIA officials dispute any of the claims made in the report.

Misterveritis said:
Our enemies will read it.
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And?
 
whysoserious said:
No I just have a brain and a conscience.
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Have you found them helpful in any way? I ask because they do not seem to have helped. You side with the nation's enemies. That indicates a lack of reasoning skills and no conscience whatever.

There is no need for an answer.
 
spud_meister said:
US no longer has combat operations in Afghanistan. Which is the conflict in which the guy in the OP was captured.
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Because The One on the golf course ran in one theater you believe the war is over? Awesome! Simply awesome.
 
Jack Hays said:
I'm not aware of avoiding anything.
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This sharp difference between torture done TO us versus non-torture done BY us. Same technique, same purpose, same result, but.... DIFFERENT!!

BTW, I'm joking here on this thread for the most part, but this myth that our waterboarding is somehow less barbaric than that done TO us is the most pathetic argument in defense of the program of any. At least the sadists and other torture cheerleaders have the courage of their convictions. You're hiding behind a fiction so you don't have to admit what some of the others do. If you defend waterboarding, no matter how the propagandists on our side present it, you support torture.
 
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CMPancake said:
What position does Feinstein hold that makes "criminals" side with her?
Have you been sleeping?

"I do believe we should inform the Islamist countries with historical mosques that we will destroy every mosque if they do not bring their Islamofascist brethren under control. Then do it. Have a Week of Retribution where we destroy every single mosque and other religious site in night after night of attacks until none are left."

So the best way to combat Terrorism is to commit terrorism? Wonderful idea right there...
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Thank you. I count it among my finest ideas. The Islamofascists are not that different from the Islamists who are not that different from the Muslims.

Destroy all of their icons. How can one believe in a god that cannot protect his most holy places?

If it makes you feel better call them drone strikes. Right size the J-DAM for the mosque or place. When in doubt use two.
 
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