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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

They forfeited their rights when they became unlawful combatants.

You're starting with the conclusion. In similar fashion, murderers have no rights (except to a jail cell or humane execution) but there is a process that respects their rights before we determine that. The tribunals or whatever we're calling them now are in place because men held for over a decade contend they are NOT unlawful combatants, and they may be right, but we can't know without providing them an opportunity to challenge that determination.

Sure, with a legitimate hearing, and presenting of evidence, and a finding of guilt, I am fine jailing them for however long. Their choice. But you have to get there first, which is the point.
 
To be accurate, just go ahead and say, 'should be held forever, without a meaningful opportunity to challenge his or her detention.'
The Islamofascists can end the war on any date they choose. Why do you regularly side with the Islamofascists?
 
You're starting with the conclusion. In similar fashion, murderers have no rights (except to a jail cell or humane execution) but there is a process that respects their rights before we determine that. The tribunals or whatever we're calling them now are in place because men held for over a decade contend they are NOT unlawful combatants, and they may be right, but we can't know without providing them an opportunity to challenge that determination.

Sure, with a legitimate hearing, and presenting of evidence, and a finding of guilt, I am fine jailing them for however long. Their choice. But you have to get there first, which is the point.

As unlawful combatants they had no rights to respect. Whatever process we put in place was for our administrative purposes, not their rights.
 
What the hell do you think drone bombing does?

1) I don't support the drone bombing program, but that's a different discussion.
2) You're citing a wrong to defend another wrong.
3) I'm not aware we target women and children. That's terrorism. Are you asserting the U.S. is a terrorist organization?
 
The Islamofascists can end the war on any date they choose. Why do you regularly side with the Islamofascists?

OK, if we hold them, they're guilty. Got it. Why not just solve the GITMO problem with a mass execution?
 
As unlawful combatants they had no rights to respect. Whatever process we put in place was for our administrative purposes, not their rights.

Right, human rights, meh... overrated.
 
1) I don't support the drone bombing program, but that's a different discussion.
2) You're citing a wrong to defend another wrong.
3) I'm not aware we target women and children. That's terrorism. Are you asserting the U.S. is a terrorist organization?

1. of course it's a different discussion, because you support the politician doing it...
2. No, just pointing out your situational ethics
3. they say we do, don't you believe them? You seem to on other issues.
 
No. Any review of Japanese practices and ours will demonstrate the difference.

I've done the review - they did what we did - board, incline, towel, water, etc. Maybe there is a magic cutoff - say 30 seconds. Over that ==> TORTURE!! And we always stayed under!

Where do I get a detailed review of all 180 times we waterboarded KSM so I can compare and contrast with the Japanese? The tapes were destroyed, illegally.
 
I've done the review - they did what we did - board, incline, towel, water, etc. Maybe there is a magic cutoff - say 30 seconds. Over that ==> TORTURE!! And we always stayed under!

Where do I get a detailed review of all 180 times we waterboarded KSM so I can compare and contrast with the Japanese? The tapes were destroyed, illegally.

180 times is a lie. Why are you lying?
 
1. of course it's a different discussion, because you support the politician doing it...
2. No, just pointing out your situational ethics
3. they say we do, don't you believe them? You seem to on other issues.

So I oppose droning and torture - where are the situational ethics?

And I generally support Obama, and over the GOP alternatives, but am a thinking adult, which means I can do so and vehemently disagree with him on important matters.

Who are they? And when did 'they' allege this, and what is the evidence and is there any evidence to the contrary, etc.
 
That's another discussion.

No, you say they have no rights. What discussion would be appropriate to discuss your assertion they have no human rights or other rights? Or maybe they have 'rights' but not any way to assert them. Great....
 
I've done the review - they did what we did - board, incline, towel, water, etc. Maybe there is a magic cutoff - say 30 seconds. Over that ==> TORTURE!! And we always stayed under!

Where do I get a detailed review of all 180 times we waterboarded KSM so I can compare and contrast with the Japanese? The tapes were destroyed, illegally.

The destruction of the tapes was perfectly legal, and wise. The 180 figure is a falsehood.
 
So I oppose droning and torture - where are the situational ethics?

And I generally support Obama, and over the GOP alternatives, but am a thinking adult, which means I can do so and vehemently disagree with him on important matters.

Who are they? And when did 'they' allege this, and what is the evidence and is there any evidence to the contrary, etc.

1. That you are opposing anything the previous administration did with detainees, yet don't want to discuss this one on droning...You say you're against it but don't even know the simplest of numbers on who was effected...

2. Is that so? I don't see it much

3. The Islamists you seem to be supporting all over this thread.
 
Ok then I'll settle for the analysis of the right number, whatever that is. What is it by the way?

I've already provided reports from the time...He was waterboarded 5 times...But I suspect that you don't care if you were being dishonest about it anyway.
 
No, you say they have no rights. What discussion would be appropriate to discuss your assertion they have no human rights or other rights? Or maybe they have 'rights' but not any way to assert them. Great....


Your assertion was that human rights are overrated. I assume that was meant sarcastically. Regardless, the proposition opens another discussion.
 
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