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Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

They were not innocent and we were never under an obligation to file charges. This is war, not law enforcement.

Some were absolutely innocent - turned in by bounty hunters. But they have no rights, and should expect none in our custody. Got it.
 
It certainly is not Mi Lai, but don't think the United States should allow their people to do this junk and we should punish the idiot kids accordingly. But torture that certainly was not.more like ghetto schoolyard stuff.

We made people uncomfortable. I am sure this makes you uncomfortable. Isn't it time to grow up?
 
I think Jasper is inclined to believe such things right away.

I believe things asserted by multiple sources, with no particular incentive to lie, such as the Red Cross, innocents detained at GITMO and others.

Not sure why you wouldn't believe them too. You're cheering what they alleged happened! You should be glad they let us all know the U.S. interrogators have respected the rights of detainees - not at all - consistent with your recommendations. Torture, get information....
 
Because to me what separates us from ISIS is that we don't resort to brutal techniques of killing and inflicting pain.

What I was born to believe was that the United States condemed all forms of torture.

Right. But this was not that. We made people uncomfortable. They rape women and then cut their guts out in front of their children and husbands. Have you absolutely no shame?
 
Just the point. One of the standard pieces of baloney peddled in anti-American propaganda is that Muslim jihadists captured abroad have rights under the Constitution of the U.S. just like any ordinary American citizens. In fact unlawful combatants captured on or near a battlefield have almost no rights. And the jihadists are unlawful combatants of the worst kind. Almost everything they do--e.g. sabotage, fighting out of uniform, purposely targeting civilians, using them as human shields, murdering them to terrorize others into submission, using children, retarded people, and people whose families would otherwise be killed as human bombs, torturing and murdering legitimate prisoners of war and completely innocent civilians, fighting of out hospitals, schools, churches, and inhabited dwellings, and so on, is a violation of the laws of war.

Try those who are not killed outright in military tribunals, hang ever last damn one that is convicted, and televise the executions live around the world. We need to stop worrying about what they might do to us, and make them worry every day about what we are going to do to them. If it takes area bombing of cities where the sympathetic locals are tolerating or even harboring them, then so be it. I believe a lot of civilians in Muslim countries are sympathetic to these bastards, and they should be made to appreciate the consequences of siding with war criminals who are bent on destroying us.

What about those not captured anywhere near any 'battlefield' which in the War on Terror (TM) is any random city street anywhere in the ME?

And it's nice to know you support targeting innocent civilians, kids and whatnot, so long as some are guilty. OBL would agree with you. And ISIS agrees with you on the public executions. Good to know you'd like us to descend to their level. And I can't see a downside of perhaps 1,000 public, televised executions.... Good ideas all.
 
It may be, and you might be an exception, but the other 99.99999% or so of the U.S. has deep moral objections to terrorism, such as that which occurred on 9/11 and didn't bother in the aftermath to really evaluate or give a damn about the 'end purpose' of AQ or ISIS, et al.

But if you believe that, that there are no moral restraints on warfare, then fine. I'm glad your view is a minority one, or at least hope it is - if not then ALL I believe about my country and what is stands for is a sham.

There are never any limits on warfare anywhere. The unacceptable becomes acceptable in direct proportion to the proximity of defeat. This is universal and has nothing to do with the underlying principles of any country.
 
I am not justifying the twisted train of thought the terrorists use to justify their madness.

My stance is a simple principle: no human being deserves to be tortured.

That is pretty simple.

Do you accept that sometimes is is useful to make people uncomfortable? That is what was done.
 
What does this mean? Does this mean they were not unlawful combatants?

Why do so many of you believe this is a criminal justice issue? Fools treat war as a crime. An unlawful combatant should be tried, convicted and executed after it is clear he has nothing left to tell us.

Or, if he cooperated he should be encouraged to remain in the general pool of detainees.

Right, they were not unlawful combatants - innocent men, committed no crime, picked up by mistake or turned in by bounty hunters for the reward money. Etc.
 
US combat operations ended in Afghanistan in October. It may not be wise, but it's not right to hold a man for 13 years without charge.

Why do so many of you pretend this is about crimes or potential crimes? The people being held are unlawful combatants. The only right they have is to determine whether they are detainees or unlawful combatants. After that, if they cooperate and give us useful information let them live. Otherwise kill them.
 
Some were absolutely innocent - turned in by bounty hunters. But they have no rights, and should expect none in our custody. Got it.

If you know of a case of an innocent placed in US custody by bounty hunters please share.
 
Any act of torture is condemnable. In my oppinion the scale or severity of the torture does not take away the fact that all acts of torture are dehumanizing. All acts of torture should be punished, no matter the scale.

Okay. Making someone uncomfortable is not torture. Reading your messages is torture.
 
All water boarding is not created equal.

You keep saying that but haven't explained how U.S. waterboarding differs from the waterboarding we called torture when done TO us. Please do so at any time.
 
Should we ask congress why we can't bring the terrorists to court?
It is because they are not criminals. They are unlawful combatants. They deserve a firing squad or hanging, whichever they least prefer.

They can have a military tribunal to determine whether or not they are unlawful combatants. Then they can be executed.
 
You keep saying that but haven't explained how U.S. waterboarding differs from the waterboarding we called torture when done TO us. Please do so at any time.

We're gentle, comparatively speaking.
 
Now, much like the Church report in the 70s not much will come of it, other than rendering aid to the enemy in this case.

Again no...By releasing it as a one sided, questionable, tirade it settles nothing but for partisans, and the divide they hope to further...Like I said, Church tried after Nam to do this, and did it change anything that happened today? No, not really....Neither will this.

That report destroyed human intelligence collection. We, as a nation did not fully recover for 50 years. I believe this will have the same result. Feinstein is a criminal of the worst sort. She needs to be tried, convicted and...I am not allowed to say. Rules are rules.
 
Is the act of attacking a persons cultural and ideological values considered an act of torture.

If some torturerer had you tied up and forced you to watch as he burns the American flag right in front of you or made you watch videos of the twin towers collapsing on 9/11, would you consider those acts as torture?
Are you expecting me to say I would pee my pants just like a liberal?

LOL. Isn't it time to just grow up?
 
There are never any limits on warfare anywhere. The unacceptable becomes acceptable in direct proportion to the proximity of defeat. This is universal and has nothing to do with the underlying principles of any country.

Perhaps the unacceptable does become the acceptable at that point, but only because men are (often) evil. That doesn't excuse evil, or that we might allow ourselves to be governed by evil men.
 
What about those not captured anywhere near any 'battlefield' which in the War on Terror (TM) is any random city street anywhere in the ME?

And it's nice to know you support targeting innocent civilians, kids and whatnot, so long as some are guilty. OBL would agree with you. And ISIS agrees with you on the public executions. Good to know you'd like us to descend to their level. And I can't see a downside of perhaps 1,000 public, televised executions.... Good ideas all.

What the hell do you think drone bombing does?
 
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