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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Apologies for any confusion. Clinton supported regime change in Iraq in 1998.Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Then there is this CNN.com - Clinton defends successor's push for war - Jun 19, 2004

    Of course his opinion did lack consistency. After Supporting War, Bill Clinton Now Blames Bush for Iraq | National Review Online
    Oh. Then Clinton supported regime change because he wanted to get revenge for the assassination attempts against his father?

    I'm so confused. I mean, obviously regime change in Iraq wasn't just such blindingly obvious good policy that it had broad bipartisan support, so obviously there had to be a secret, ulterior motive...

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    Oh. Then Clinton supported regime change because he wanted to get revenge for the assassination attempts against his father?

    I'm so confused. I mean, obviously regime change in Iraq wasn't just such blindingly obvious good policy that it had broad bipartisan support, so obviously there had to be a secret, ulterior motive...
    In fact there were questions raised about Bill's father and his involvement with extreme elements. Or maybe it was Billy Carter.

    Well, in any case, Presidents can change their minds about war depending on the domestic political situation at any given time, as can their wives, and we should learn to ignore their historical revisions out of respect for the office.. I think we can all agree with that.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is nothing of the kind, and the view is shared by a few. Did you read Imperial Hubris?
    Yes. The author is an old friend.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    The question was rhetorical in that you are just as certain of your faith as they are in theirs. I've read some of your posts and they also seem to reflect strongly held beliefs.
    I guess I forgot to tell you that I lost my religion about 20 years ago.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    I guess I forgot to tell you that I lost my religion about 20 years ago.
    "Strongly held beliefs" doesn't necessarily refer to religion.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    "Strongly held beliefs" doesn't necessarily refer to religion.
    The difference is that religious beliefs are from faith. Faith makes belief become dogma.

    Strongly held beliefs may or may not involve unsubstantiated faith.

    Thus strongly held beliefs can ALSO be based upon rational analysis of whatever the subject at hand happens to be. Rational analysis of facts, followed by a strongly held belief, perhaps a theory. And with luck the theory might be demonstrated and proved, suggesting proper analysis and good conclusions.

    That is the opposite of religious gobbly gook.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Henry David View Post
    The difference is that religious beliefs are from faith. Faith makes belief become dogma.

    Strongly held beliefs may or may not involve unsubstantiated faith.

    Thus strongly held beliefs can ALSO be based upon rational analysis of whatever the subject at hand happens to be. Rational analysis of facts, followed by a strongly held belief, perhaps a theory. And with luck the theory might be demonstrated and proved, suggesting proper analysis and good conclusions.

    That is the opposite of religious gobbly gook.
    Political gobbledygook can do as much harm, or more.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes. The author is an old friend.
    I doubt that. But he said what I said.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Political gobbledygook can do as much harm, or more.
    On that we agree!!

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I doubt that. But he said what I said.
    He and I have discussed that point more than once.
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