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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't care whether you endorse anything and, more to the point, neither does our enemy. We will fight until our enemy loses either the means or the will to attack us. To say that reflects neither ignorance nor the lack of a plan. It reflects recognition of the reality of war.
    It reflects both ignorance and lack of plan because you have no plan. Recognition of reality means that you look at the many many decades this path has been taken and how no resolution has ever been found. How even after 13 years of this current conflict, we've only made it worse; not better.

    You offer no solution, you offer no plan, you have no clue as to what end game is. Ignorance is not a solution.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not with ISIS or terrorists, but that's not who you'd be trying to effect through trade and diplomacy. You'd be targeting the People in general and an attempt to subvert terrorist propaganda.

    Decades upon decades of this route hasn't produced results. Why are we to believe that decades more will?
    That goes back to what I said before.
    What country will be influenced by our trade & diplomacy overtures if they've got their hands full trying to defend themselves against ISIS while we're offering trade & diplomacy.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    There is a FANTASTIC interview that Charlie Rose recently did with the King of Jordan. You should watch it if you can find it online. It will answer some of your concerns.
    I'll do that, but Jordan and Israel have been the only 2 pretty dependable allies we have over there.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It reflects both ignorance and lack of plan because you have no plan. Recognition of reality means that you look at the many many decades this path has been taken and how no resolution has ever been found. How even after 13 years of this current conflict, we've only made it worse; not better.

    You offer no solution, you offer no plan, you have no clue as to what end game is. Ignorance is not a solution.
    Most of any war cannot be planned.

    "The tactical result of an engagement forms the base for new strategic decisions because victory or defeat in a battle changes the situation to such a degree that no human acumen is able to see beyond the first battle. In this sense one should understand Napoleon's saying: "I have never had a plan of operations."
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    no plan of operations extends with any certainty beyond the first contact with the main hostile force."
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    • "On Strategy" (1871), as translated in Moltke on the Art of War: Selected Writings (1993) by Daniel J. Hughes and Harry Bell, p. 92
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Long time.
    How've you been, Pol.
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    How are you doing - did you get the snow that bypassed us? 45 degrees here, but it rained here all day so it feels more like Spring than Christmas!

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    I'll do that, but Jordan and Israel have been the only 2 pretty dependable allies we have over there.
    He talks about the need to resolve Gaza as a first step in the Muslim war on ISIS and apparently they were very very close to a deal in secret negotiations but he wouldn't say much about how it fell apart because he thinks it is still doable. IIRC it has something to do with Israel and Iran and as soon as it started crumbling Israel made some announcement that is complicating getting people back together. King Abdullah is one smart pragmatic leader. who has the luxury of being able to speak openly and honestly. His basic mindset on ISIS is This is a Muslim problem and only the Muslim community can fix it and here is what we need to do, and have been doing. One of the more interesting admissions is that he thinks Assad will have to go eventually and that part of the strength of ISIS is that Assad targeted the moderates for killing just to make himself be the only alternative to these radical militants.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by earthworm View Post
    Your opinion, Misterveritis, your sick opinion, Mr Conservative... And I am certain that there are a great many more on your side.... We are far from being a civilized nation ...maybe another 500 years ..
    I understand that some people want to be sissies. Cool for you. Some of us prefer to be manly. Cool for me.

    Just because we live in the same country does not mean we agree to the suicide pact you push. Stand back and let the men handle this one. Don't let the wind blow your skirt up.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    "We have no reason to keep anyone who is not a threat. Many thousands were captured. How many ended up in secret prisons? Less than 200? How many had harsh interrogations? Less than one hundred? How many experienced near drowning? Three."
    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So it is claimed, but not verified. There's nothing in place to ensure we are picking up only combatants.
    I made a number of statements. Your response is comprehensible only to you.

    Are you claiming many thousands were not captured?
    Are you claiming some other number ended up in secret prisons?
    Are you claiming some number other than less than one hundred experienced harsh interrogations?
    Or are you claiming that more than three unlawful enemy combatants were waterboarded?

    Or, as it might possibly be you haven't any idea what you are claiming?

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    We have not been attacked since 9/11 because our countermeasures were effective. And no, more interagency communication would not have stopped 9/11.
    Nonsense. When we did nothing it took eight years between attacks. It was two years between attacks and our invasion. And as OBL's goal was to get us over there, and not to attack us hear, something that was expensive and difficult, he won the second Bush started invading. Since then they've cost us a lot. And while it cost them as well, we made it a war, and thus gave him credence and grew his organization and opened the door for others. Our overreaction hurt us more than helped. Cost us more than we gained. You simply aren't looking at it with clear eyes.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    I'm fighting the flu, like I need that now! : My son gave me some Nyquill *sp* and the cat bumped my arm just as I was taking it, and the stuff went on my keyboard, so I had a sticky mess to clean up - like I needed that, too! My son laughingly remarked that at least I wouldn't have to worry about a computer virus, so I alternated between laughing and swearing! :

    How are you doing - did you get the snow that bypassed us? 45 degrees here, but it rained here all day so it feels more like Spring than Christmas!
    Good one.
    Got some snow the other day but not severe.
    How does a person bypass winter if they can't escape anywhere?

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