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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Okay ... there are a couple of problems with that approach.
    1) Countries are disinclined to work with us if we show weakness because it encourages terrorism in Countries of erstwhile allies like Pakistan because it works to intimidate them into not cooperating with us.
    2) We show weakness by withdrawing as we are doing and maybe even more importantly, by shooting ourselves in our own ass by releasing things like the Gitmo report which can do no good in the sense we're discussing here.
    Greetings, bubba.

    Good points!

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by polgara View Post
    Greetings, bubba.

    Good points!
    Long time.
    How've you been, Pol.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    For one thing, the number of lives not lost and dollars not spent are not a measurement of success against terrorism.
    Nope, containing terrorism and thwarting their global efforts is. How's that metric coming along (psssst....it's not good).
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I already answered but you apparently did not recognize the answer. We will incur as many casualties over as many years as it takes to win.
    I know your answer "I don't know"; that's your answer. And based on your ignorance, I should back infinity war, I should back 10's of thousands of American dead, I should accept trillions of spent when it could have otherwise been spent on America and making our stuff better. You have nothing better to offer than your ignorance, and ignorance is not a solution.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I know your answer "I don't know"; that's your answer. And based on your ignorance, I should back infinity war, I should back 10's of thousands of American dead, I should accept trillions of spent when it could have otherwise been spent on America and making our stuff better. You have nothing better to offer than your ignorance, and ignorance is not a solution.
    The cause of your hostility and name calling escapes me. Regardless, I write from a professional (albeit retired) point of view on this matter. This war was brought to us; we did not seek it. It cannot be wished away. We must fight because our enemy is determined to fight. If we are to fight then we fight to win.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Nope, containing terrorism and thwarting their global efforts is. How's that metric coming along (psssst....it's not good).
    Let's take a current example ... do you believe we're showing 100% effort against ISIS in Iraq and Syria ... do you believe they are not a problem ... do you believe your recommendation of trade and diplomacy would in any way work with ISIS ... if the answer is no then explain how you thwart and contain them without the military.
    Surely you don't believe they're being contained or thwarted now.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The cause of your hostility and name calling escapes me. Regardless, I write from a professional (albeit retired) point of view on this matter. This war was brought to us; we did not seek it. It cannot be wished away. We must fight because our enemy is determined to fight. If we are to fight then we fight to win.
    There's no name calling. You don't have a solution. You have no clue as to whether or not this path we've taken will do anything. We have a long history showing it doesn't. We have current data saying it doesn't. But you ignore that for some mystical "sometime in the future" argument that you cannot back up. No plan, no solution, no idea how to even make it better. And upon that I'm suppose to say "Oh yes, Jack is right". Sorry, ignorance doesn't count. You don't even get partial credit for turning in a blank piece of paper with your name on it. You cannot demonstrate that your desire to throw lives and money at this will have any affect. Until you do, I cannot endorse it.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Let's take a current example ... do you believe we're showing 100% effort against ISIS in Iraq and Syria ... do you believe they are not a problem ... do you believe your recommendation of trade and diplomacy would in any way work with ISIS ... if the answer is no then explain how you thwart and contain them without the military.
    Surely you don't believe they're being contained or thwarted now.
    Not with ISIS or terrorists, but that's not who you'd be trying to effect through trade and diplomacy. You'd be targeting the People in general and an attempt to subvert terrorist propaganda.

    Decades upon decades of this route hasn't produced results. Why are we to believe that decades more will?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There's no name calling. You don't have a solution. You have no clue as to whether or not this path we've taken will do anything. We have a long history showing it doesn't. We have current data saying it doesn't. But you ignore that for some mystical "sometime in the future" argument that you cannot back up. No plan, no solution, no idea how to even make it better. And upon that I'm suppose to say "Oh yes, Jack is right". Sorry, ignorance doesn't count. You don't even get partial credit for turning in a blank piece of paper with your name on it. You cannot demonstrate that your desire to throw lives and money at this will have any affect. Until you do, I cannot endorse it.
    I don't care whether you endorse anything and, more to the point, neither does our enemy. We will fight until our enemy loses either the means or the will to attack us. To say that reflects neither ignorance nor the lack of a plan. It reflects recognition of the reality of war.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by bubbabgone View Post
    Let's take a current example ... do you believe we're showing 100% effort against ISIS in Iraq and Syria ... do you believe they are not a problem ... do you believe your recommendation of trade and diplomacy would in any way work with ISIS ... if the answer is no then explain how you thwart and contain them without the military.
    Surely you don't believe they're being contained or thwarted now.
    There is a FANTASTIC interview that Charlie Rose recently did with the King of Jordan. You should watch it if you can find it online. It will answer some of your concerns.

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