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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Many were indeed picked up on the battlefield. Most of the rest were captured in raids on identified combatant centers.
    Some were, but there's no mechanism that would allow us to assess it. Someone just had to say "that guy's a terrorist" and poof.

    That's why we need these checks and balances, we need to make sure who we throw in Gitmo are the folk we think they are.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

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    Right. Our interrogations were not torture. Did that clear it up a bit for you?
    You and Dick Cheney seem to be the only people under that delusion.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Some were, but there's no mechanism that would allow us to assess it. Someone just had to say "that guy's a terrorist" and poof.

    That's why we need these checks and balances, we need to make sure who we throw in Gitmo are the folk we think they are.
    This was war, not law enforcement.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    This was war, not law enforcement.
    Where's the official Declaration of War? So you're saying that if we claim "war" (this is an imperial police action, though, not war), we get to do whatever we want with those we deem to be "unlawful combatants"? Seems maybe not something a Republic based on the Freedoms and Liberties of the individual would do.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Where's the official Declaration of War? So you're saying that if we claim "war" (this is an imperial police action, though, not war), we get to do whatever we want with those we deem to be "unlawful combatants"? Seems maybe not something a Republic based on the Freedoms and Liberties of the individual would do.
    Yes, it's war, and no declaration was/is necessary.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Yes, it's war, and no declaration was/is necessary.
    So very convenient. You get to define "war", you get to define "unlawful combatant" and based on your definitions, you get to do whatever you want to a human being without regard to right or morality.

    Not how an advanced and civilized society behaves, but certainly has its roots in our Ape past. This is what it means to disgrace our flag.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So very convenient. You get to define "war", you get to define "unlawful combatant" and based on your definitions, you get to do whatever you want to a human being without regard to right or morality.

    Not how an advanced and civilized society behaves, but certainly has its roots in our Ape past. This is what it means to disgrace our flag.
    The GWB administration rejected the law enforcement model and adopted the warfare model specifically to free themselves from the constraints imposed by preparing cases for trial. "Unlawful combatant" is a recognized term in international law and our adversaries certainly qualified. You need to study this issue.
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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The problem is, how do we know they are "unlawful enemy combatants"? They weren't all picked up on some battlefield.
    I doubt that you will ever know.

    We have no reason to keep anyone who is not a threat. Many thousands were captured. How many ended up in secret prisons? Less than 200? How many had harsh interrogations? Less than one hundred? How many experienced near drowning? Three.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Where's the official Declaration of War? So you're saying that if we claim "war" (this is an imperial police action, though, not war), we get to do whatever we want with those we deem to be "unlawful combatants"? Seems maybe not something a Republic based on the Freedoms and Liberties of the individual would do.
    What do you mean "Official" declaration of war? The Congress voted to approve the use of force. That is a declaration of war. The Congress also funded the war. It has their approval.

    We have no obligation to treat this nation's external enemies as if they were citizens. We have plenty of enemy within the nation. We call them Democrats.

    An unlawful enemy combatant is one who is fighting in civilian clothes with no badges of rank. When caught the captor owes you a length of rope or a bullet.

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    Re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    So very convenient. You get to define "war", you get to define "unlawful combatant" and based on your definitions, you get to do whatever you want to a human being without regard to right or morality.

    Not how an advanced and civilized society behaves, but certainly has its roots in our Ape past. This is what it means to disgrace our flag.
    LOL. That is so cute!

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