If you want to explain why waterboarding isn't "torture" then for this discussion you must be able to do it without regard to what lawyers conjured up to fit it in a legal box. It doesn't matter for purposes of the ethics of it or the morality or the effect of those 'techniques' on our reputation or what kind of country - do we respect human rights or not - we want to be.
What's funny is I KNOW without a shred of doubt that if Obama gets his OLC to write a memo legalizing seizing all your guns, it won't matter what the lawyers say. But you want to hang your hat on that same BS rationale in this discussion, when if it was something you opposed you'd care exactly ZERO what Holder's DOJ or an Obama flunky wrote in a memo or got some court to sign off on. You know this, so don't pretend otherwise.
At some point the endless victimhood has to stop. People need to take responsibility for changing their own circumstance if that is what they desire. Seems to me this endless victimhood is just excuse for never having to say that anything they do is wrong....We don't do that with children, they'd be spoiled, we shouldn't do it with entire segments of society either.You're shifting the subject, but let me say that from a moral standpoint the sins of one generation should not fall to the next. On the other hand, if a nation makes a promise it should keep it. We don't normally abrogate treaties when the signatories die, nor do we repudiate debts incurred by our grandparents.
From the FBI FAQ:
The new Summary definition of Rape is: “Penetration, no matter how slight, of the vagina or
anus with any body part or object, or oral penetration by a sex organ of another person, without
the consent of the victim.”
"Rectal rehydration", used on at least five prisoners, fits the description.
I love the smell of face-palm in the morning!
"You ain't no Muslim bruv!"
And of course Cheney, Bush and Obama will not be prosecuted - I haven't suggested they should be, and this discussion isn't about that. If we want to talk legalities, then all we should be citing are various laws, treaties and court cases. Last time I checked, almost no one is doing any of that.
"That was a medical procedure. That was done because of detainee health. But the people responsible there for the health of these detainees saw that they were becoming dehydrated. They had limited options in which to go do this. It was intravenous with needles, which would be dangerous with a noncooperative detainee. It was through the nasal passages."
"It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan