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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    U.S. negotiators declined to adopt every provision of the Convention Against Torture, exactly because they did not want to tie the hands of any President in dealing with matters of national security. I am satisfied that section 2340 allows U.S. interrogators to deal pretty harshly with savages who have committed war crimes against this country, when the lives of many innocent Americans depend on making them tell what they know, and tell it fast. I am also satisfied that that law, which codifies such provisions of the CAT as our negotiators saw fit to agree to and the Senate saw fit to ratify, is not so broadly written as to make immoral, unconscionable acts legal.

    Your assertion that the government of this country has repeatedly sponsored morally repugnant actions throughout our history is a slander against the United States that is false, disgusting and shameful. Do not try to associate me with your anti-American slurs--I could not cite even one example of any such thing, let alone a dozen.
    Sheesh, we can start with slavery and all that entailed, running right up through the Civil Rights Acts in the 1960s. Many examples of how we treated the native Americans. Japanese internment. We have a holiday (Columbus day) celebrating a genocidal slave trader.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Were the individual you speak of, Americans, prisoners of war? If so they are protected by the Geneva Conventions. If they were unlawful combatants they are not protected.
    All you're saying is if they were not protected by Convention or law, it was LEGAL to torture them. Whether it's legal doesn't change what was done.

    You really don't understand the difference between wartime intelligence gathering and peacetime criminal justice do you?
    That's not the point - it's either torture or it's not. The legality of it doesn't affect that determination in the slightest. I understand the problem, it's obviously torture, so you have to find some way to justify it or distinguish it from what we did. If you want to say it's OK to torture in wartime, but not on domestic prisoners, fine. There are meaningful distinctions there - it's rational to draw that line and it's one that can easily be drawn. What is pathetic is saying that one is torture because it's illegal, but if it's legal it's not-torture.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Individual slaves did not. But their offspring did.
    Indians. Well, around here some of the tribes are deep into the gambling scene. Who can tell. All clans, tribes and people have been made slaves of other people at some point in time.
    LMAO. An entire people had their rights extinguished, for hundreds of years. It wasn't just individuals.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    My first point was that I saw no indications that you were quoting anybody.
    My second point was harsh interrogation techniques are not intended to be medicine. Both points should have been very easy for you to understand.
    You didn't look very hard - I had linked to the PHYSICIAN earlier. Sorry if you didn't keep up.

    And my entire point was inserting food into the rectum wasn't medicine. If you agree, why demand a quote from a physician?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I started one thread. Apparently I failed to meet all of the requirements so it got squashed. I doubt I shall ever start another.
    That's too bad...

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    That gives you some idea how controlled and careful was the US activity.
    What???? JoG wasn't held in whatever black site we waterboarded our detainees, subjected to waterboarding as just one of many interrogation techniques - torture. Different circumstances in every way.

    And of course you can't address the example - cops getting tased in training doesn't mean that using a taser on a prisoner isn't torture.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    The legality of it doesn't affect that determination in the slightest.
    This is what we see all over today from the radical left....Laws don't matter. All that matters is what they personally think of it, and we should cede punishment based on their personal views on a matter.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    ... cops getting tased in training doesn't mean that using a taser on a prisoner isn't torture.
    So taser's are now "torture"?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I didn't claim that....
    You are j-mac, are you not? All I did was boldface your text in quotes and said I agreed with it. So how can you say you didn't write it?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    How long will we have to hear about the injustices of one group or another? At some point don't the descendants of these groups loose the power to be able to claim victimhood?
    You're shifting the subject, but let me say that from a moral standpoint the sins of one generation should not fall to the next. On the other hand, if a nation makes a promise it should keep it. We don't normally abrogate treaties when the signatories die, nor do we repudiate debts incurred by our grandparents.
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