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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    Obviously you're an American white male, right? The USA has been pretty good to you.

    I didn't catch your full justification of slavery or of the Trail of Tears. Please explain it more fully.
    Really?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
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    I just disagree 100%. Once you agree that waterboarding is an acceptable technique, you've obliterated any meaningful moral or ethical line, and all that matters is results. What you're saying, ultimately, is that after we eliminate all bounds of behavior, we're shocked that a person who is ordered to be cruel to a prisoner for purposes of extracting information is TOO cruel. That is of course the documented history of torture as a tool and why we cannot accept "a little bit of torture but not too much" as official policy.
    One judge said essentially that very thing. Paraphrasing she said that while the acts themselves were not torture the very fact that we used a specific act against an individual so many times it became torture. Her reasoning, was tortured.

    I believe waterboarding is fine. But it is no prohibited. That it too bad as it worked just fine with KSM. I cannot recall if it worked with the other two.

    We want to break the subject's will so he cooperates with us.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    We approved waterboarding, which we prosecuted people for as war crimes, torture. How do you make the leap that when done TO us, it is torture, but when done BY us it's not-torture "by a very long shot"?
    Were the individual you speak of, Americans, prisoners of war? If so they are protected by the Geneva Conventions. If they were unlawful combatants they are not protected.

    And if many of our 'techniques' were done to your son in a police station in Atlanta, you would RIGHTLY conclude he was tortured by his own government. It's impossible that any of us could see someone we love subjected to these 'techniques' and conclude anything else, but we go through elaborate self denial to avoid facing the truth of what we did to people not-like-us.
    You really don't understand the difference between wartime intelligence gathering and peacetime criminal justice do you?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    It was really in how you characterized it...The point of wars is to win, if we aren't in to do that then don't do it...
    Well, that was kind of my point. But you also should admit that we haven't always dealt in good faith with parties that ran headfirst into an objective of ours, whether it was gaining territory or influence or making money. I mean, can you honestly claim that slaves or Indians got a fair shake?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, that was kind of my point. But you also should admit that we haven't always dealt in good faith with parties that ran headfirst into an objective of ours, whether it was gaining territory or influence or making money. I mean, can you honestly claim that slaves or Indians got a fair shake?
    I didn't claim that, but let me ask...How long will we have to hear about the injustices of one group or another? At some point don't the descendants of these groups loose the power to be able to claim victimhood?
    Americans are so enamored of equality that they would rather be equal in slavery than unequal in freedom.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Correct, interrogations are not torture. But "enhanced interrogation" techniques are, by definition and international law, torture.
    I suppose we shall have to agree to disagree.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Can anyone take you seriously when you're main thesis is that you think the people you are arguing against are "pussies"? You've really killed any credibility you had (I don't know if you had any before).
    Bed wetters. And not all of you. But many of you. :-)

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Ok, not all liberals are pussies, just immature ones that bait and stalk....Like you are doing now.
    But many of them are bedwetters... :-)

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Did you quote? Did you block indent or use quotation marks?

    I am not claiming that taking a meal an unlawful combatant refuses to eat, turning it into a slushee and pumping it up their ass is a medical procedure. Nor did I play a doctor on the Internet. It seems clear to me the message to the asshole who refused the meal was very simple. We control you. Fight us and we will make it very uncomfortable for you.
    What's your point then? We agree it was degradation/humiliation/sodomy etc. and wasn't done for any medical purpose.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    Well, that was kind of my point. But you also should admit that we haven't always dealt in good faith with parties that ran headfirst into an objective of ours, whether it was gaining territory or influence or making money. I mean, can you honestly claim that slaves or Indians got a fair shake?
    Individual slaves did not. But their offspring did.
    Indians. Well, around here some of the tribes are deep into the gambling scene. Who can tell. All clans, tribes and people have been made slaves of other people at some point in time.

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