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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    Which places it as downright unconstitutional.
    I think the legal issue is too complicated to assert that it's "downright" unconstitutional, if we use the court to describe it as one or the other . ( What else can we use , though)

    We can consider it ( or some act ) unethical, and cast around for court rulings to give form and authority to our indignation .

    But that aside, it was constitutional, (e.g Supreme court siding with the U.S government in the case of German prisoners held by American Military in China , Johnson v. Eisentrager, and constitutional in the lower courts rulings that supported cases derived under the Military Commissions Act of 2006 , which was passed to answer constitution violation problems after the government lost in Rasul v. Bush ,
    then unconstitutional, in the latest case I cited Boumediene v. Bush
    But, I guess, Obamas Military Commissions Act of 2009 , so far , anyway answered the supreme courts problems we're back to constitutional.

    So, no downrights
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

    Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com
    You're believing Gitmo inmates?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Why do so many people accept that it's ok for a man to be held for 13 years with no charges pressed, no evidence of his guilt shown, just because he's a foreigner? If he's a terrorist, charge him and execute him, if he's not, then let him go. 13 years is just ****ing ridiculous.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Pornography?

    This is torture?
    Did you read the article?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Did you just call me a psychopath?
    You're not a psychopath, that comment was definitely out of line. But I am kinda curious as to what you were thinking when you made that post. The OP outlines a dozen gruesome and inhumane torture tactics, pornography only being one of them. Not to mention that it wasn't just simple pornography, it was weird and designed to **** with the brain.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Declan View Post
    Yes there is nothing more pathetic than society evolving toward civility. Thanks for reaffirming my belief that libertarians have no interest in having a functioning society.
    OH FFS. Everything has to devolve into whining about goddamn libertarians. "Wah, someone on the internet that identifies as a libertarian said something I don't like, therefore libertarians don't want a functioning society."

    1). Not everyone on this site that has their lean set to libertarian is actually a libertarian. Some only lean that direction on some issues, hence why it's called "lean", and many just have it set there to troll. Several people on this site have admitted to that. I would give you names but that would count as a "call-out" and would thus be against the rules.

    2). The typical, mainstream libertarian position is actually to close gitmo. So get over yourself.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    You're not a psychopath, that comment was definitely out of line. But I am kinda curious as to what you were thinking when you made that post. The OP outlines a dozen gruesome and inhumane torture tactics, pornography only being one of them. Not to mention that it wasn't just simple pornography, it was weird and designed to **** with the brain.
    Let me help you out.

    Showing someone pornography isn't torture in my book. Pouring gasoline down someone's throat and setting her ablaze is torture. Cutting off someone's ears and legs before killing them is torture. Taking a knife and slowly cutting someone to bits is torture.

    To you pornography is torture.

    My post was clear. And very brief.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    OH FFS. Everything has to devolve into whining about goddamn libertarians. "Wah, someone on the internet that identifies as a libertarian said something I don't like, therefore libertarians don't want a functioning society."

    1). Not everyone on this site that has their lean set to libertarian is actually a libertarian. Some only lean that direction on some issues, hence why it's called "lean", and many just have it set there to troll. Several people on this site have admitted to that. I would give you names but that would count as a "call-out" and would thus be against the rules.

    2). The typical, mainstream libertarian position is actually to close gitmo. So get over yourself.
    1) Libertarians do not offer any cohesive vision of a functioning society. Little House on the Prairie and The Waltons were TV shows. Life was not bliss. and

    2) Of course they do because they want everything closed, disassembled, unfunded--See #1 above.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by OrphanSlug View Post
    What we did to "protect this nation" does shame everything we stand for. We are no longer a nation based on the principles of freedoms and rule of law. But it should surprise no one how we got to this point. But to the article, there is no reasonable argument to justify many of the things we do out of national security. A security that we now need simply because of how we view our role as the world's police department.
    I agree with your last sentence in a general sense, but disagree that it applies in this case.

    If we were capturing people who are perpetrating crimes of humanity against non-Americans and holding them at Gitmo (for instance, Palestinians), that would be a very true statement. But the ones we captured were accused of or thought to have committed crimes against Americans. So it's policing crimes against its own citizens and also, on many occasions (like Khalid Sheik Mohammed), crimes committed on our shores.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Amadeus View Post
    America: "Hey, at least we don't chop off heads..."

    *wipes a patriotic tear from his eye*
    Nor do we throw Gay people off a bridge and then stone them to death, and with nice big chunks of Rocks. Like ISIS did yesterday making a big deal all about Executing a Gay Man and making sure word got round to the US.

    But then I guess you will tell us we should empathize and respect our enemy for that.....huh? That we need to feel their pain and try to understand them.

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