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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Sure, evil is universal. We agree on that. What we shouldn't accept is evil in service of some 'greater good' is not evil.
    You are applying the word "evil" where it has no meaning. It's like asking what color is a symphony.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    No, but at some point, say after waterboard #73, a reasonable person might conclude that the process isn't working with this guy.
    Maybe try a different tack?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't KSM waterboarded several years after his capture?
    What vital info would he be able to divulge at that point in time?
    They got the information they sought and that's what counts. "People Sleep Peacefully in Their Beds at Night Only Because Rough Men Stand Ready to Do Violence on Their Behalf".

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    US Special Forces are well aware of the different levels of risk they run under different deployment scenarios. Our treatment of unlawful combatants is not mistreatment because they have no right to expect a Geneva Conventions level of treatment. Our personnel have the right to expect Geneva Conventions treatment except in a very few exceptional circumstances, but we never get it regardless.
    Again, if one of our soldiers was subjected to that treatment, we'd rightly conclude he was tortured. Anyone who said otherwise would be ridiculed. Not ONE American would defend such treatment as an acceptable way to interrogate our personnel.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Again, if one of our soldiers was subjected to that treatment, we'd rightly conclude he was tortured. Anyone who said otherwise would be ridiculed. Not ONE American would defend such treatment as an acceptable way to interrogate our personnel.
    Our captured personnel are routinely tortured.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are applying the word "evil" where it has no meaning. It's like asking what color is a symphony.
    Well then we disagree on that. Of course you don't enter into a moral black hole where no standards exist when you engage in 'war.' Where raping women, dismembering children, etc. are just tactics that can and should be embraced if they serve the purpose of winning, etc.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well then we disagree on that. Of course you don't enter into a moral black hole where no standards exist when you engage in 'war.' Where raping women, dismembering children, etc. are just tactics that can and should be embraced if they serve the purpose of winning, etc.
    The acts you mention presumably would fail the test of aiding to win the war or protect our citizens. If that was the case then they would not be justified.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Our captured personnel are routinely tortured.
    And beheaded. They only have to be American to suffer that fate, and terrorists don't care which political party their victims support.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Well then we disagree on that. Of course you don't enter into a moral black hole where no standards exist when you engage in 'war.' Where raping women, dismembering children, etc. are just tactics that can and should be embraced if they serve the purpose of winning, etc.
    Are you speaking of ISIS here, one of the terrorist groups the democracies are fighting against?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Our captured personnel are routinely tortured.
    Hilarious. Of course that avoids the point and you know it. What you want to say is the treatment you label 'torture' when done to our personnel is NOT torture when done BY us.

    I understand it requires elaborate mental gymnastics to hold your position, but I don't understand why you feel that's necessary.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Are you speaking of ISIS here, one of the terrorist groups the democracies are fighting against?
    Jack says that there is no "evil" in war. I disagree. He says that if we need to rape women and dismember children to win, we'll do it, should do it, and evil isn't a concept that can be applied to those acts in that situation.

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