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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I don't consider water boarding as practiced by the US to have been torture. But make no mistake, if incontrovertible torture were the difference between victory and defeat, or between successful and unsuccessful defense of the US, then I would be wholeheartedly in favor of it. The moral shortcoming is among those who would limit what they would do to defend our country or secure victory.
    But that's a creation of something that hasn't existed, doesn't exist, and there's no likelihood of it existing.

    As dfor what you consider waterboarding to be or not to be isn't the issue. The US and the rest of the world has considered it torture. That Bush and his people got some to accept their redefinition just suggests to me that those who bought it were willing to suspend their disbelief like we do for any good fiction.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I've already provided reports from the time...He was waterboarded 5 times...But I suspect that you don't care if you were being dishonest about it anyway.
    Just so I'm clear, this is how we're counting this.

    If I hit you in the face, wait a minute, hit you again, and do that 36 times in one day, then that counts as ONE? But if I hit you in the face 17 times on Monday, and 18 times on Tuesday, that counts as TWO in right wing land. That's great.

    And if Person A gets hit 1 time on Monday, and person B gets hit 35 times on Monday, A and B have each been beaten only once! I am pretty sure B will be surprised his treatment counts on the "Right Wing 'We do NOT torture'" scale the same as what A got, after all he was struck 35 times versus only once....

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    But that's a creation of something that hasn't existed, doesn't exist, and there's no likelihood of it existing.

    As dfor what you consider waterboarding to be or not to be isn't the issue. The US and the rest of the world has considered it torture. That Bush and his people got some to accept their redefinition just suggests to me that those who bought it were willing to suspend their disbelief like we do for any good fiction.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Your assertion was that human rights are overrated. I assume that was meant sarcastically. Regardless, the proposition opens another discussion.
    No, I'm mocking your statement that prisoners of a certain category have no rights. Maybe they don't, but if you approve of us behaving as if our detainees have no rights, then all our talk of human rights and the rest is just a nice bedtime story we tell ourselves to pretend we're somehow different than our enemies.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    You are wishing the world away.
    Not hardly. It's a lie to say we can't deal with the world without being immoral and evil.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, I'm mocking your statement that prisoners of a certain category have no rights. Maybe they don't, but if you approve of us behaving as if our detainees have no rights, then all our talk of human rights and the rest is just a nice bedtime story we tell ourselves to pretend we're somehow different than our enemies.
    The language of human rights is the political vocabulary of our era. Some of it matters; some does not.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You do realize you have it completely wrong when Kobie likes it, don't you?

    We made people uncomfortable. We did it so they would tell us what they knew about future attacks. You do remember what happened on September 11? Did you go to the streets and pass out candy to the children?
    "Uncomfortable." You do realize that sounds ridiculous. When it was done to us, it was torture. Now we've redefined the horrific physical and psychological effects of torture to making people "uncomfortable." Question, though - if it just makes people uncomfortable, why would we need medical personnel on hand when we do it? No one has ever died from being uncomfortable.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Sigh. They have control of oil fields. Do I really give you far more credit than is due?
    Hilarious - I'll quote myself: "How can a group like ISIS have oil fields? They might control them temporarily, but they're not yet a country."

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Ah, so you are not an actual medical doctor. You simply play one on the Internet. Thanks for playing!
    No, but I can quote them, which I did. If can find any medical doctors defending rectal feedings as a legitimate medical procedure, please cite them.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    You are welcome to your interpretation. Interrogations are not intended to be pleasant.

    I am pretty pleased to be me. You see, I progressed from childhood into adulthood. I encourage you to do the same.
    I don't understand what is difficult here. If you're on board with the U.S. as a country that embraces torture as a legitimate interrogation tool, have the courage to admit that is your position.

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