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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Some were absolutely innocent - turned in by bounty hunters. But they have no rights, and should expect none in our custody. Got it.
    We have an obligation and the self interest to determine the status of any detainee. Most of the time that is pretty quick. Sometimes it takes longer. Once an individual has been determined to be an unlawful combatant the only right they have is to an execution.

    The massive Wiki you pointed to indicates that the majority of the people were released. That is exactly what I would expect. What did you expect?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Someone captured 13 years ago in Afghanistan is hardly responsible for a terrorist group in Somalia.
    The war continues in Afghanistan and elsewhere, and that someone has no right to freedom under that circumstance.
    "It's always reassuring to find you've made the right enemies." -- William J. Donovan

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I believe things asserted by multiple sources, with no particular incentive to lie, such as the Red Cross, innocents detained at GITMO and others.

    Not sure why you wouldn't believe them too. You're cheering what they alleged happened! You should be glad they let us all know the U.S. interrogators have respected the rights of detainees - not at all - consistent with your recommendations. Torture, get information....
    It is not torture unless you want it to be. We made people uncomfortable in order to get their information. We all have an agenda. You do. The Red Cross does, I do.

    Yes. I believe we were well served by the men and women who stepped up and prevented additional attacks. And you side with our enemies. You sie with a traitor who has severely damaged the US. She may have done more damage to this nation than anyone other than Obama, Boehner, and McConnell. Not even Feinstein could out do the damage those three have done.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    What twisted minds and mental gymnastics are necessary to think that it was the revealing of the torture, and not the torture itself, that "emboldens our enemies" and is treasonous. You really have to just be:

    1) So partisan that it's insane
    2) Insane
    Ted Cruz is the dumbest person alive.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, they were not unlawful combatants - innocent men, committed no crime, picked up by mistake or turned in by bounty hunters for the reward money. Etc.
    Many were captured. Prior to a determination of their status they are detainees. Most were released within a few days to a few weeks. We have no interest in people who are not waging war against us. Some took longer. You already know that it is true that most people who were detained were released. What point are you trying to make?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Many were captured. Prior to a determination of their status they are detainees. Most were released within a few days to a few weeks. We have no interest in people who are not waging war against us. Some took longer. You already know that it is true that most people who were detained were released. What point are you trying to make?
    So, no part of you cares that we extraordinarily renditioned, detained, and tortured dozens of people who were innocent?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by CMPancake View Post
    Have you read the torture report?

    Because this post makes one assume you didn't read the report.
    I have already said I have not read it. I doubt many have. Have you?
    It is 6,000 pages of cherry-picked items. No CIA agents were interviewed. The CIA disputes it.

    Our enemies will read it.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    I have already said I have not read it. I doubt many have. Have you?
    It is 6,000 pages of cherry-picked items. No CIA agents were interviewed. The CIA disputes it.

    Our enemies will read it.
    Who gives a **** if our enemies read it? That's a ridiculous argument.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    1) I don't support the drone bombing program, but that's a different discussion.
    2) You're citing a wrong to defend another wrong.
    3) I'm not aware we target women and children. That's terrorism. Are you asserting the U.S. is a terrorist organization?
    We killed American citizens without any due process. We routinely kill family members and bystanders with drone strikes. But that is okay compared to making someone uncomfortable. If we threaten to blow up your kids but don't do it that is horrendous. But if we actually do it that is okay so long as we don't threaten someone first?

    Between you and me, I would prefer that someone threaten that they will kill my children but don't instead of just going ahead and shredding them.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, if we hold them, they're guilty. Got it. Why not just solve the GITMO problem with a mass execution?
    For each person who has been determined to be an unlawful combatant it seems a hearing, conviction and execution is appropriate. It cannot be that massive. Obama has been trading generals for deserters, releasing others to countries that formerly accepted national socialists on the run. How many are left?

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