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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This was clever. I really liked this. Sometimes I just come here to see how well we demolish each other.
    That's the first sensible thing you've written in this entire thread.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is the act of attacking a persons cultural and ideological values considered an act of torture.

    If some torturerer had you tied up and forced you to watch as he burns the American flag right in front of you or made you watch videos of the twin towers collapsing on 9/11, would you consider those acts as torture?
    Are you expecting me to say I would pee my pants just like a liberal?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    There are never any limits on warfare anywhere. The unacceptable becomes acceptable in direct proportion to the proximity of defeat. This is universal and has nothing to do with the underlying principles of any country.
    Perhaps the unacceptable does become the acceptable at that point, but only because men are (often) evil. That doesn't excuse evil, or that we might allow ourselves to be governed by evil men.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    How many did we torture?
    Intentionally? None. Why do you ask?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What about those not captured anywhere near any 'battlefield' which in the War on Terror (TM) is any random city street anywhere in the ME?

    And it's nice to know you support targeting innocent civilians, kids and whatnot, so long as some are guilty. OBL would agree with you. And ISIS agrees with you on the public executions. Good to know you'd like us to descend to their level. And I can't see a downside of perhaps 1,000 public, televised executions.... Good ideas all.
    What the hell do you think drone bombing does?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Torture dehumanises the torturer as the victim.
    You make me uncomfortable. Do you feel dehumanized? Liberal gobbledygook.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    They forfeited their rights when they became unlawful combatants.
    You're starting with the conclusion. In similar fashion, murderers have no rights (except to a jail cell or humane execution) but there is a process that respects their rights before we determine that. The tribunals or whatever we're calling them now are in place because men held for over a decade contend they are NOT unlawful combatants, and they may be right, but we can't know without providing them an opportunity to challenge that determination.

    Sure, with a legitimate hearing, and presenting of evidence, and a finding of guilt, I am fine jailing them for however long. Their choice. But you have to get there first, which is the point.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    To be accurate, just go ahead and say, 'should be held forever, without a meaningful opportunity to challenge his or her detention.'
    The Islamofascists can end the war on any date they choose. Why do you regularly side with the Islamofascists?

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're starting with the conclusion. In similar fashion, murderers have no rights (except to a jail cell or humane execution) but there is a process that respects their rights before we determine that. The tribunals or whatever we're calling them now are in place because men held for over a decade contend they are NOT unlawful combatants, and they may be right, but we can't know without providing them an opportunity to challenge that determination.

    Sure, with a legitimate hearing, and presenting of evidence, and a finding of guilt, I am fine jailing them for however long. Their choice. But you have to get there first, which is the point.
    As unlawful combatants they had no rights to respect. Whatever process we put in place was for our administrative purposes, not their rights.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    If you know of a case of an innocent placed in US custody by bounty hunters please share.
    I can't believe this assertion surprises you. Google is your friend, but here's one link: Profiles of Guantánamo Detainees in Need of Safe Haven | Center for Constitutional Rights

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