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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    So somehow being a low level guy assigned to a security detail means he's responsible for 9/11? Well, since I guess we cant actually prosecute the Saudi's who helped create all those guys (they sell us cheap oil! Great guys!) we need to find some scapegoat.
    Are you an Islamofascist supporter all of the time, or just today, and yesterday, and the day before...

    Someone on a high up muckety-muck's security detail will know a great deal that is useful. Who comes and goes, who is trusted and who is not. Who influences and who does not. A member of a security detail will find out the prime's habits, tastes, proclivities, and vices.

    And you should have that erection looked at by a doctor. The Saudi's are not our friends. Nor are they the primary culprits in this thread.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're assuming that those we stripped of rights, jailed, subjected to torture or "EIT" were in fact "utterly brutal to Americans" and that was often just not the case. The point of rights is in fact to give the person the meaningful opportunity to show that he or she in fact wasn't 'utterly brutal.." It's what separates us from Stalin.
    Given your extensive knowledge of the subject, how many detainees were not unlawful combatants, or high value targets?

    An unlawful combatant has the right to a firing squad.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're assuming that those we stripped of rights, jailed, subjected to torture or "EIT" were in fact "utterly brutal to Americans" and that was often just not the case. The point of rights is in fact to give the person the meaningful opportunity to show that he or she in fact wasn't 'utterly brutal.." It's what separates us from Stalin.
    We did not strip anyone of rights. They had none to start with.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Your post was akin to claiming that emotional pain isn't real pain. It's a cruel heartless position that has no basis in reality. Numerous scientific studies have concluded that emotional pain and emotional anguish are just as real as the pain of losing a limb. In fact when it comes to torture, mental torture is probably more painful and damaging than physical pain. Watch the myth busters episode on Chinese water torture. Despite being able to stop it at any time, the person exposed was going through a mental breakdown after a few hours.

    Also your post ignores the fact that torture can depend on the individual. Serving a prisoner bacon would usually be a treat, but what about a devout Jew? Would that not be torture to force someone to eat something that they believed to be a sin against their god? Devout Muslims (and many others) view watching pornography as evil. And again, we're not even talking about normal stuff. I doubt many people could be forced to watch something like 2 girls 1 cup and not consider it to be torture.

    As for it's brevity, that's not a valid defense. It would be like reading the Diary of Anne Frank and saying only, "Being locked in a room isn't that bad". Claiming that this statement was brief would not excuse the entire lack of human empathy it took to say it. It's not just brief, it's intentionally ignoring tremendous human suffering.

    Finally, something can be torture and not be the worst possible thing ever. Otherwise it would be clear that your definition of torture pales in comparison to the real thing. Burning? Cutting off someone’s ears? Decapitation? Those are positively luxurious compared to some thinks we've thought up over the years. Judas' cradle, flaying, the breaking wheel, the pear of anguish, the head crusher, the iron maiden, the Spanish tickler, and many many other torture devices are on an entirely different level of cruelty.
    We made people very uncomfortable. One died. Maybe two died. That is not clear yet.
    War is unpleasant. You need to stop pissing your pants and thank the people who get the information that becomes intelligence.

    You need to grow up.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yes, and many of them who put their asses on the line agree that our EIT/torture program was a national disgrace.
    Democrat party traitors have said so. And you hug the traitors.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So what? They were fighting for a country that incarcerates six innocent people in Gitmo for five years, then releases them in South America, never having filed charges. They gave up their lives for a country that allows a captive to freeze to death chained to a concrete floor in the Salt Pit in Afghanistan, then note in passing that his rendition was a case of mistaken identity.
    Who do so many of you believe there are charges to be filed? Do you believe that waging war as an unlawful combatant is a crime to be found in a country's criminal code? About the only right an unlawful combatant has is execution by firing squad once the facts are clear.

    It is time to start with military tribunals and executions. We need to prepare for the new batches of unlawful combatants.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Manc Skipper View Post
    So what? They were fighting for a country that incarcerates six innocent people in Gitmo for five years, then releases them in South America, never having filed charges. They gave up their lives for a country that allows a captive to freeze to death chained to a concrete floor in the Salt Pit in Afghanistan, then note in passing that his rendition was a case of mistaken identity.
    They were not innocent and we were never under an obligation to file charges. This is war, not law enforcement.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    People who are defending this kind of conduct are sick.
    We agree. We need to arrest Dianne Feinstein and bring her up on charges of treason immediately. She needs her day in court to defend her enormous crime against her fellow citizens, or at least the half of us who are not wannabe traitors like her.

    Then, once she is convicted we need to strip her of her wealth. Treason is a capital offense. She deserves the maximum penalty given the deliberate way she hurt the people of this nation.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    So if enough terrorists tell you the same thing you eventually believe it?
    I think Jasper is inclined to believe such things right away.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    The conservative reaction to this report is wholly unsurprising. Those who disagree with barbarism done in our name, under the guise of Keeping Us Safe, barbarism which was lied about for years by its perpetrators, are apparently terrorist sympathizers.
    In a similar vein the wannabe traitorous bedwetters' reactions have been equally unsurprising. We certainly cannot make anyone uncomfortable any more can we?

    Anti-Americans. You are now about half of the population. This nation cannot survive with so many America-haters living among us.

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