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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    Of course every act of torture condemnable. That is pretty trivial for our culture today. But to trivialize torture by stuffing it with soft porn and blasphemy endangers the progress we have made.
    Is the act of attacking a persons cultural and ideological values considered an act of torture.

    If some torturerer had you tied up and forced you to watch as he burns the American flag right in front of you or made you watch videos of the twin towers collapsing on 9/11, would you consider those acts as torture?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    We held something like 425000 German POWs on US soil during WWII. How many were brought to trial?
    How many did we torture?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    A nice piece of enemy propaganda, for anyone gullible enough to be taken in by it. Since when does the Eighth Amendment apply to aliens detained outside the U.S.? And last time I checked, the Supreme Court was contriving a way in Boumediene v. Bush to make Guantanamo U.S. territory, using a lot of elaborate nonsense about de facto and de jure territory. Of course that result-oriented sleight-of-hand involved the majority in dishonestly overruling Johnson v. Eisentrager, a 1950 decision that was directly contrary, while refusing to admit that's what it was doing. Guantanamo is part of the territory of Cuba, occupied by the U.S. under the terms of a perpetual lease.
    That's a misleading summary of the issues and the result. The facts are different - Germany =/= GITMO, and the Germans actually had a legitimate process that was followed - detailed charges and a hearing and a finding. The "hearings" set up for the prisoners at GITMO were a farce. Kangaroo court is a good enough description, and when decided the Executive branch had six years to set up a legitimate process and deliberately failed to do so.

    So the core issue was whether we (the Executive branch) effectively terminated prisoners' rights held under our exclusive control, on land we'd continuously occupied without interference from the Cuban government for a century based on the distinction between an indefinite lease and U.S. owned territory. And the court rationally held that we could not - that the executive branch could not operate without any restraints with regard to those prisoners, and so ordered the Executive branch to provide these prisoners with actual rights to challenge their detention, which is a basic human right.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It amazes me sometimes, the extent to which some Americans seem to hate their own country. I can't imagine hating Canada so much that I'd contemplate spreading such nonsense.
    You are not like the bedwetters. Most of them are little girls who want to live happily ever after without ever giving a thought to their safety or that of their families. And some are wannabe traitors who cannot wait to give aid and comfort to this nation's very real enemies. Many are democrats. It is the natural home for bedwetters and traitors like Dianne Feinstein.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If they are not convicted, how can terrorists be properly punished?

    Who cares about the ravings of the unrepentant, put them on trial for the sake of actual justice.
    It's what the Bush administration was doing, using military courts, in Gitmo. Obama didn't want to do that and some on the left challenged the process in your courts and I'm not certain, but I believe the Supreme Court upheld the principle but might have had some problem with part of the process. I'd have to research it again to be certain. In any event, Obama determined military trials weren't his thing. You could ask him that question.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Leftists certainly don;t complain much about these continuing stonings and beheadings. In fact to raise the question is to be called "Islamophobic".
    Complete and total bullsh!t. What's Islamaphobic is when people use statistics from the worst Muslim countries to justify the bigotry of Muslims living in Western nations -- most of who are no worse than Christians.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is the act of attacking a persons cultural and ideological values considered an act of torture.

    If some torturerer had you tied up and forced you to watch as he burns the American flag right in front of you or made you watch videos of the twin towers collapsing on 9/11, would you consider those acts as torture?
    I certainly hope, if it should ever come to it, that that is the torture they choose for me.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why do so many people accept that it's ok for a man to be held for 13 years with no charges pressed, no evidence of his guilt shown, just because he's a foreigner? If he's a terrorist, charge him and execute him, if he's not, then let him go. 13 years is just ****ing ridiculous.
    He is similar to a prisoner of war. An unlawful combatant can, and should be held until the war ends. Or we should have a military tribunal, determine his guilt or innocence and then release or execute him.

    This wasn't shoplifiting.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    I certainly hope, if it should ever come to it, that that is the torture they choose for me.
    Torture dehumanises the torturer as the victim.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    On the contrary, we never put POW's on trial. And those were lawful combatants.
    What would you call the Tokyo Trials (IMTFE) and the like?

    And there's a difference anyway because in a traditional "war" those held as POWs (as opposed to accused war criminals, subject to hearings like IMTFE) were released or subject to some tribunal at the end of the war. With the indefinite War on Terror (TM) that's not an option because the war won't end or we/they have no way to determine an end except when we arbitrarily say the "war" has ended, and they'd be effectively sentenced to life in prison without charge or trial.

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