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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    I am not justifying the twisted train of thought the terrorists use to justify their madness.

    My stance is a simple principle: no human being deserves to be tortured.
    No you weren't justifying their behavior, just showing them the respect you so obviously think they deserve by calling them "devout practitioners of the Islamic faith."

    I don't consider them human beings.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I don't think so sparky....Just because you put a pithy sig on your postings doesn't mean that is how you honestly feel. People in here misrepresent themselves on purpose all the time. You are correct that Feinstein is a politician, however, until she did this I actually could honestly say I respected here if not her beliefs in liberalism. But this...This is little more than hackery...Think about it, we hashed this out years ago, and we Repubs lost the debate for the most part, and a law was passed against it, and the interrogations stopped. The question that needs to be answered here is why now? Why at this moment?

    It is true that there may be NO time that is good for its release, however, this was a release timed for two reasons that are pretty clear. 1. DiFi was mad as hell that the CIA spyed on her report, and committee. 2. That she knew that the time that she was able to get this one sided, factually inaccurate report out was quickly disappearing. And as a side benefit, they got to splash this out at a time when politically it was convenient to soften the testimony of Gruber in the House...Not that there aren't a scandal a minute with this bunch of libs these days. But I mean seriously, what is it that libs want with this really? Are we back to the crazy 'Arrest Bush', 'Arrest Cheney' Cindy Sheehan crowd? Is that it? Because that is just Bat **** crazy, and is never going to happen.
    Frankly, reason 1 there is a decent one IMO. An agency willing to risk alienating the very people tasked to oversee them by hacking their computers, accusing those same people of a crime, lying about what they did, and then doing NOTHING when the lies were found out should expect to get clipped because they ARE out of control. I can't believe that event has been brushed off. You can damn sure guarantee if that was a GOP committee, there would have been a dozen hearings by now.

    And obviously those involved in a project for six years intended to release the findings and did. That should surprise exactly no one. It might be true that it was rushed a bit because of the change in control, but the committee has been fighting the WH and CIA for months at least over the details. At some point those involved just have to release it.

    Finally, I think it's a good thing to know what happened, so we go into this decision the next time with our eyes wide open about what will likely happen. We can't do that if we only know half or 1/4 or 1/10th of the story. And I can't see how this release has any long term bad effects on the ME. The damage was done with Abu Ghraib, complete with pictures, and continues with GITMO, with a steady drip of former detainees from there for the last few years to tell their story. And if there is any real damage from this release, it's a bunch of people defending torture as a legitimate interrogation technique, and denying that we did anything wrong during that period.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Here is an idea: follow this definition of torture.



    UN Convention Against Torture
    Let's see the UN enforce it.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No you weren't justifying their behavior, just showing them the respect you so obviously think they deserve by calling them "devout practitioners of the Islamic faith."

    I don't consider them human beings.
    That does not mean torturing them would be justifiable.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    The concept, as I understand it, is that prisoners of war are detained until such time as hostilities end. The fact that the "war on terror" and the war in Afghanistan are the longest lasting wars that America has ever been involved in adds to the length of time a prisoner of war may be held. Do you believe it wise to release enemy "soldiers" while you are still at war with that enemy?
    US combat operations ended in Afghanistan in October. It may not be wise, but it's not right to hold a man for 13 years without charge.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's see the UN enforce it.
    We are part of the UN.

    we are supposed to enforce the rules in our country.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Thanks for straightening me out. I thought it was the NSA. Maybe because of knowing the NSA deals with computers etc.
    So I went and educated myself. It appears to be a work of a couple of folks within the CIA. It was the CIA director, Brennen who ordered a complete investigation of the hacking. I couldn't find any criminal charges brought over the hacking. Did You? And the hack was directly linked to this report being released. The report was comprised by third parties. To my understanding no direct testimony from those who were directly involved were asked to give testimony. I'm wondering if the hack didn't take place to check to see if it leaked out information that would be damning to our allies and informants and give them a heads up in advance. Just a thought.
    This is my problem with any surveillance overreaches.
    There is always a "legitimate" reason.
    It's always to protect our best interests.

    So yeah you are right, that seems to have poison Feinsteins relationship with the CIA but doesn't excuse her from all the times she thought their activities in interrogation were justified and now claims to find them appauling.
    If Senators were given all the true and complete details of CIA activities, she is not excused.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    I dont think " so many people " actually believe the guy is being held just because he's a foreigner.

    Most people just wave off that kind of nonsensical hyperbole.
    I didn't say he was being held because he's a foreigner. Try again.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    This is my problem with any surveillance overreaches.
    There is always a "legitimate" reason.
    It's always to protect our best interests.


    If Senators were given all the true and complete details of CIA activities, she is not excused.
    I can certainly appreciate your concern of overreaching when it comes to gathering information on we the people. Heck look how willing the Democrats have been to further Obama's authority over NSA spying. It was bad when Bush started it, It's on steroids under Obama.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Let's see the UN enforce it.
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