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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    It certainly is not Mi Lai, but don't think the United States should allow their people to do this junk and we should punish the idiot kids accordingly. But torture that certainly was not.more like ghetto schoolyard stuff.
    Pornography is considered taboo by devout practitioners of the Islamic faith. So being subjected to it would be considered torture.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    You're talking to the wrong guy, cowboy.
    See my sig.
    Feinstein is a politician, she is just as likely to spin things to her liking as is any bureaucrat.
    Oh I don't think so sparky....Just because you put a pithy sig on your postings doesn't mean that is how you honestly feel. People in here misrepresent themselves on purpose all the time. You are correct that Feinstein is a politician, however, until she did this I actually could honestly say I respected here if not her beliefs in liberalism. But this...This is little more than hackery...Think about it, we hashed this out years ago, and we Repubs lost the debate for the most part, and a law was passed against it, and the interrogations stopped. The question that needs to be answered here is why now? Why at this moment?

    It is true that there may be NO time that is good for its release, however, this was a release timed for two reasons that are pretty clear. 1. DiFi was mad as hell that the CIA spyed on her report, and committee. 2. That she knew that the time that she was able to get this one sided, factually inaccurate report out was quickly disappearing. And as a side benefit, they got to splash this out at a time when politically it was convenient to soften the testimony of Gruber in the House...Not that there aren't a scandal a minute with this bunch of libs these days. But I mean seriously, what is it that libs want with this really? Are we back to the crazy 'Arrest Bush', 'Arrest Cheney' Cindy Sheehan crowd? Is that it? Because that is just Bat **** crazy, and is never going to happen.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

    Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com
    A nice piece of enemy propaganda, for anyone gullible enough to be taken in by it. Since when does the Eighth Amendment apply to aliens detained outside the U.S.? And last time I checked, the Supreme Court was contriving a way in Boumediene v. Bush to make Guantanamo U.S. territory, using a lot of elaborate nonsense about de facto and de jure territory. Of course that result-oriented sleight-of-hand involved the majority in dishonestly overruling Johnson v. Eisentrager, a 1950 decision that was directly contrary, while refusing to admit that's what it was doing. Guantanamo is part of the territory of Cuba, occupied by the U.S. under the terms of a perpetual lease.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Pornography is considered taboo by devout practitioners of the Islamic faith. So being subjected to it would be considered torture.
    Oh please.... You mean the same devout practitioners that routinely have sex with very young boys and girls? The same oh so pure people that rape women then when they can't get three other males to corroborate their story stones the victim to death? The very same practitioners of the so called religion of peace that behead those that won't change to their belief system, or pay extortion?

    Oh yeah, they sound like very docile people.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Not to give the NSA a pass, but it was the CIA that hacked DiFi's computers.
    Google "CIA hacks Senate computers".



    Thank you teacher.
    No tutorial needed.
    All massive bureaucracies, are able to do as they please under the guise of "National Security".
    Thanks for straightening me out. I thought it was the NSA. Maybe because of knowing the NSA deals with computers etc.
    So I went and educated myself. It appears to be a work of a couple of folks within the CIA. It was the CIA director, Brennen who ordered a complete investigation of the hacking. I couldn't find any criminal charges brought over the hacking. Did You? And the hack was directly linked to this report being released. The report was comprised by third parties. To my understanding no direct testimony from those who were directly involved were asked to give testimony. I'm wondering if the hack didn't take place to check to see if it leaked out information that would be damning to our allies and informants and give them a heads up in advance. Just a thought.

    So yeah you are right, that seems to have poison Feinsteins relationship with the CIA but doesn't excuse her from all the times she thought their activities in interrogation were justified and now claims to find them appauling.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Pornography is considered taboo by devout practitioners of the Islamic faith. So being subjected to it would be considered torture.
    That makes me believe you might have had a rather sheltered life or an interest in robbing the word torture of its meaning. We should admit that this kind of stuff cannot go on but is not torture.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh please.... You mean the same devout practitioners that routinely have sex with very young boys and girls? The same oh so pure people that rape women then when they can't get three other males to corroborate their story stones the victim to death? The very same practitioners of the so called religion of peace that behead those that won't change to their belief system, or pay extortion?

    Oh yeah, they sound like very docile people.
    I am not justifying the twisted train of thought the terrorists use to justify their madness.

    My stance is a simple principle: no human being deserves to be tortured.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by spud_meister View Post
    Why do so many people accept that it's ok for a man to be held for 13 years with no charges pressed, no evidence of his guilt shown, just because he's a foreigner? If he's a terrorist, charge him and execute him, if he's not, then let him go. 13 years is just ****ing ridiculous.

    I dont think " so many people " actually believe the guy is being held just because he's a foreigner.

    Most people just wave off that kind of nonsensical hyperbole.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh I don't think so sparky....Just because you put a pithy sig on your postings doesn't mean that is how you honestly feel. People in here misrepresent themselves on purpose all the time. You are correct that Feinstein is a politician, however, until she did this I actually could honestly say I respected here if not her beliefs in liberalism. But this...This is little more than hackery...Think about it, we hashed this out years ago, and we Repubs lost the debate for the most part, and a law was passed against it, and the interrogations stopped. The question that needs to be answered here is why now? Why at this moment?
    Because the incoming GOP majority won't let the report see the light of day?
    The report's been complete for a year or two.
    If not now, when?

    this was a release timed for two reasons that are pretty clear. 1. DiFi was mad as hell that the CIA spyed on her report, and committee. 2. That she knew that the time that she was able to get this one sided, factually inaccurate report out was quickly disappearing.
    It's kind of a compliment that you read my previous posts and regurgitate them as your own.

    And as a side benefit, they got to splash this out at a time when politically it was convenient to soften the testimony of Gruber in the House...Not that there aren't a scandal a minute with this bunch of libs these days.
    Your partisan hackery is duly noted.
    Nobody gives a sh** about Gruber.
    I'll bet THIS time that relentlessly non-partisan Darrell Issa will produce incontrovertible evidence of scandal.
    He kicked ass on Benghazi.

    But I mean seriously, what is it that libs want with this really?
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    Are we back to the crazy 'Arrest Bush', 'Arrest Cheney' Cindy Sheehan crowd? Is that it?
    No.

    Because that is just Bat **** crazy, and is never going to happen.
    Agreed.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by joG View Post
    That makes me believe you might have had a rather sheltered life or an interest in robbing the word torture of its meaning. We should admit that this kind of stuff cannot go on but is not torture.
    Here is an idea: follow this definition of torture.

    For the purposes of this Convention, torture means any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.
    UN Convention Against Torture
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