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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Okay, I've heard similar things.
    On this thread, MMC and others, have stated that KSM either gave the name of OBL's courier or the fact that OBL used a courier.
    What kind of "sophisticated, clever" terrorist leader---OBL---would continue using the same MO after his main man, KSM, was captured?
    This sort of alleged stupidity makes me think that the terrorist threat is overblown.....these guys are idiots.
    Yeah, AQ hit us pretty good on 911, but that was their high point, they haven't been able to come close since then.
    They are nothing.
    Luckily, we now have a new "sophisticated, clever" terrorist group, ISIS, to worry about.


    Well, truthfully I think there was more than one courier. But I am not sure once he was in Pakistan.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    And yet again, if someone implies that a conservative is on anything less than perfect moral standing, the conservative will almost inevitably erupt in defensiveness. Yet that same person almost always feels the right to judge the character of others.

    Protip: When anyone of any stripe acts like this, it suggests that he or she has something to hide.
    Anything substantive to add, or are you just here to play playground moderator?

    I'll let you know when I want to discuss what conservatives think about moral standing. Since I'm not one, I'll pass on discussing them in this thread. Conservatives aren't the subject here. I doubt everyone is interested in your thread derailment either.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That was the NSA .
    Not to give the NSA a pass, but it was the CIA that hacked DiFi's computers.
    Google "CIA hacks Senate computers".


    Here is a good link to help understand the difference between the NSA, CIA and FBI.

    What is the Difference Between the CIA, FBI and NSA?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Anything substantive to add, or are you just here to play playground moderator?

    I'll let you know when I want to discuss what conservatives think about moral standing. Since I'm not one, I'll pass on discussing them in this thread. Conservatives aren't the subject here. I doubt everyone is interested in your thread derailment either.
    Bingo. My point exactly. Thank you.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Well, truthfully I think there was more than one courier. But I am not sure once he was in Pakistan.
    All reported "actionable intelligence" is clouded in nebulous bureaucratese.
    I think you will agree that whatever info we, the lumpen proletariat of the USA, are allowed to know is heavily redacted.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Phys251 View Post
    Bingo. My point exactly. Thank you.
    You're welcome for proving you had no point.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    All reported "actionable intelligence" is clouded in nebulous bureaucratese.
    I think you will agree that whatever info we, the lumpen proletariat of the USA, are allowed to know is heavily redacted.
    That is another good point.....what was left that was classified that can't be used to show either way.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That is another good point.....what was left that was classified that can't be used to show either way.
    Who knows?
    This topic gives us something to talk/harangue about though.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

    Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com
    It certainly is not Mi Lai, but don't think the United States should allow their people to do this junk and we should punish the idiot kids accordingly. But torture that certainly was not.more like ghetto schoolyard stuff.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's pathetic that this is what we call "torture", and denegrates people who were REALLY tortured in the past, including those at Abu Ghraib where it went much further to physical forms and such. Peopel aren't dying from these techniques (at least they shouldn't, if they do, then people need to answer for that of course). Ultimately, we did get information from these sessions. I don't understand why this is any issue when our enemies are chopping off heads...
    Because to me what separates us from ISIS is that we don't resort to brutal techniques of killing and inflicting pain.

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