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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    So why wouldn't that line of thinking apply to Feinstein's little fairy tale here? Seems your belief is situational.
    You're talking to the wrong guy, cowboy.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    Hey MMC.
    The CIA says lots of things.
    Like any gov't bureaucracy, they divulge info---maybe true, maybe not--- and spin that info to make themselves look good.
    The CIA needs to be policed by those we send to Congress to represent us. During the time of waterboarding and other means of making a captured terrorist talk, the Intelligence committee was informed 39 times. During it all, the majority did not have a bit of problem with what was occurring including most Democrats.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Somehow I'm not convinced that your ignorance is fully honest.

    But I'll play along. Combatants will fight harder if they believe that they will be tortured if they are captured, and will surrender easier if they believe they will be well cared for. Obviously you know this, because it's something a 5 year old could figure out.

    Which of course is why someone like John McCain would be against torture. Torture always results in a net negative for the side that does it.

    And also, lets stop pretending that anyone cares about the effectiveness or the ethics of torture. This isn't about intelligence, it's about revenge. If there were a painless truth drug that made a suspect give up every shred of information, the same people demanding torture now would still support torture. And what's worse, these same people would support it without being able to actually go through with it themselves. I find it hard to respect that.
    Well like my brutha JMac stated.....that works for those that are Soldiers. With these terrorists. You forget.....this enemy would rather die than give up.

    Yes it was about revenge with Feinstein being upset that the CIA had her under observation.

    When there is no other alternative.....then one must use what is a last resort.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Even if such was the case. There is no mistaking the meaning. Which only certain condescending people think they can play with such. But then I have never had any trouble making sure one knew when they looked like a fool.
    Wow. Its like you just put a bunch of words in a blender and hit 'frappe'.

    And if you're not clearly writing, then yes. there is a real possiblity of mistaking the meaning.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Threegoofs View Post
    Wow. Its like you just put a bunch of words in a blender and hit 'frappe'.

    And if you're not clearly writing, then yes. there is a real possiblity of mistaking the meaning.
    Would you like some others to help with your disconnect? This way you can't say you weren't offered to be plugged in.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Happy Friday radio!

    I heard quite a few times on both MSNBC and Fox that he (KSM) eventually cracked and gave the information that was missing - and needed - to find OBL. They could be wrong, I don't know but it's said a lot.
    Okay, I've heard similar things.
    On this thread, MMC and others, have stated that KSM either gave the name of OBL's courier or the fact that OBL used a courier.
    What kind of "sophisticated, clever" terrorist leader---OBL---would continue using the same MO after his main man, KSM, was captured?
    This sort of alleged stupidity makes me think that the terrorist threat is overblown.....these guys are idiots.
    Yeah, AQ hit us pretty good on 911, but that was their high point, they haven't been able to come close since then.
    They are nothing.
    Luckily, we now have a new "sophisticated, clever" terrorist group, ISIS, to worry about.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Really? This is torture:







    What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????
    A neocon.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    The CIA needs to be policed by those we send to Congress to represent us. During the time of waterboarding and other means of making a captured terrorist talk, the Intelligence committee was informed 39 times. During it all, the majority did not have a bit of problem with what was occurring including most Democrats.
    I mostly agree with you here.
    I might be dubious as to the veracity of the info given to the Intelligence Committee.
    Wasn't the CIA caught hacking the Senate computers?
    I think this event, at least partially, motivated Feinstein.
    DiFi has always been a big fan of unlimited gov't surveillance.....
    Evidently, Diane doesn't like it so much when that unlimited surveillance is used against her.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Did you just call me a psychopath?
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not stupid. You quoted my post and posted that. I don't post to people who post wholly ignorant, rude and out of line posts, as you just did. Don't post to me again.
    And yet again, if someone implies that a conservative is on anything less than perfect moral standing, the conservative will almost inevitably erupt in defensiveness. Yet that same person almost always feels the right to judge the character of others.

    Protip: When anyone of any stripe acts like this, it suggests that he or she has something to hide.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I mostly agree with you here.
    I might be dubious as to the veracity of the info given to the Intelligence Committee.
    Wasn't the CIA caught hacking the Senate computers?
    I think this event, at least partially, motivated Feinstein.
    DiFi has always been a big fan of unlimited gov't surveillance.....
    Evidently, Diane doesn't like it so much when that unlimited surveillance is used against her.
    That was the NSA .
    The NSA handles most American computer intelligence and decryption, and has also contributed significantly to computer technology around the world. Early computers were developed in the offices of the NSA, and the NSA continues to innovate in the technological field. NSA agents are primarily found in the head offices of the organization in Maryland, although they also work closely with the United States Armed Forces to secure military information on bases and in the battlefield.
    Here is a good link to help understand the difference between the NSA, CIA and FBI.

    What is the Difference Between the CIA, FBI and NSA?

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