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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    If I may interject.

    You may

    KSM was waterboarded 180+ times.
    That is false...Although I know how you liberals take the NYTimes as Gospel itself, they lied here:

    "The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.

    It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.

    A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed's face -- not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment."

    Despite Reports, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Not Waterboarded 183 Times | Fox News

    If waterboarding is/was so effective at extracting info, what's up with all the repeat performances?
    They were effective enough that KSM started giving classes to CIA after he was, as he put it, freed from his obligation to remain silent....
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    I thought it WAS an instant process.
    As in... "this guy knows where the nukes are, lets waterboard him"...
    Instead, it seems to be a time consuming process.
    By the time a KSM gives up any info, it would be obsolete.
    Terrorists would adjust their MO's when any of their leaders are captured.


    Again with the long process.
    What sort of actionable info do you think KSM would have stored in his brain that would be critical in the never-ending "War on Terror"
    Do you think he has intricate plots, Osama's phone number, addresses.....what exactly would he give up?
    Wasn't it KSM who provided the information on the compound that enabled the Seals to go in and capture Bin Laden?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Were you told that only one time was necessary?
    No, but at some point, say after waterboard #73, a reasonable person might conclude that the process isn't working with this guy.
    Maybe try a different tack?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't KSM waterboarded several years after his capture?
    What vital info would he be able to divulge at that point in time?
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Wasn't it KSM who provided the information on the compound that enabled the Seals to go in and capture Bin Laden?
    Actually he gave the name of the personal courier that OBL used...That led after observation to OBL.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Your comment made no sense. Neither did this one.
    Yes MMC's comments did make sense. He was talking about the PC on steroids promoted on the left side of the aisle that has resulted in some folks not looking at things clearly. Not enough were willing to speak out against it and now we have a bunch of folks sympathizing with the enemy.

    We are seeing the media being used as a propaganda machine to promote it. We are seeing Democrats through their decision to release the damn report comprised of third party persons and not those involved directly, that is putting our allies, and people who work for the CIA and our informants at risk. Even though Democrats almost unanimously supported the forms being used by the CIA through 39 friggin meetings where they were informed of the procedures they were being used on a limited number of detainees. Now all of a sudden Feinstein has a problem but didn't during all 39 briefings. In fact several Democrats words at the time were "do whatever it takes". Feinstein and other Democrats also have no problem using drones to target these terrorists which often kills a lot of innocent people along with our on the ground intelligent iinformers.

    And this OP along with this new found decision to release the report while they do a kabookie dance unable to justify their own previous support is occurring while Obama just released more Gitmo prisoners and the media failed to cover it.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You may



    That is false...Although I know how you liberals take the NYTimes as Gospel itself, they lied here:

    "The New York Times reported last week that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 terror attacks, was waterboarded 183 times in one month by CIA interrogators. The "183 times" was widely circulated by news outlets throughout the world.

    It was shocking. And it was highly misleading. The number is a vast inflation, according to information from a U.S. official and the testimony of the terrorists themselves.

    A U.S. official with knowledge of the interrogation program told FOX News that the much-cited figure represents the number of times water was poured onto Mohammed's face -- not the number of times the CIA applied the simulated-drowning technique on the terror suspect. According to a 2007 Red Cross report, he was subjected a total of "five sessions of ill-treatment."

    Despite Reports, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Was Not Waterboarded 183 Times | Fox News



    They were effective enough that KSM started giving classes to CIA after he was, as he put it, freed from his obligation to remain silent....
    If waterboarding is that horrible (I don't know, I've never been waterboarded), it's hard to believe it took 180+ times to get him to talk. I'd only have to be tortured once to talk.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Yes MMC's comments did make sense. He was talking about the PC on steroids promoted on the left side of the aisle that has resulted in some folks not looking at things clearly. Not enough were willing to speak out against it and now we have a bunch of folks sympathizing with the enemy.

    We are seeing the media being used as a propaganda machine to promote it. We are seeing Democrats through their decision to release the damn report comprised of third party persons that is putting our allies, and people who work for the CIA and our informants at risk. Even though Democrats almost unanimously supported the forms being used by the CIA through 39 friggin meetings where they were informed of the procedures they were being used on a limited number of detainees. Now all of a sudden Feinstein has a problem but didn't during all 39 briefings. In fact several Democrats words at the time were "do whatever it takes". Feinstein and other Democrats also have no problem using drones to target these terrorists which often kills a lot of innocent people along with our on the ground intelligent iinformers.

    And this OP along with this new found decision to release the report while they do a kabookie dance unable to justify their own previous support is occurring while Obama just released more Gitmo prisoners and the media failed to cover it.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by radioman View Post
    No, but at some point, say after waterboard #73, a reasonable person might conclude that the process isn't working with this guy.
    Maybe try a different tack?
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't KSM waterboarded several years after his capture?
    What vital info would he be able to divulge at that point in time?
    1. he wasn't waterboarded 183 seperate times
    2. What different tack would you have tried?
    3. The vital info he gave was a name that led ultimately to the death of OBL....Pretty useful I'd say.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Actually he gave the name of the personal courier that OBL used...That led after observation to OBL.
    Thanks, I knew he gave up some very useful information but couldn't remember what.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    If waterboarding is that horrible (I don't know, I've never been waterboarded), it's hard to believe it took 180+ times to get him to talk. I'd only have to be tortured once to talk.
    Sorry, I thought that was someone else.

    On point, I will say, I don't know if I consider waterboarding to be "torture"... But, I think it comes close enough to the line as to make it not preferable to use...That said, in extraordinary circumstances, all bets are off...
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