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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    You contend it's US territory and Cuba says it's theirs.

    It's a US base not a territory.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Guantanamo is leased from Cuba, ergo not US Territory. You're in Criminal Justice so you must know that no evidence obtained through torture is admissable in US Courts. As an example, if they tried KSM, a genuine scumbag, in a Stateside Court all evidence would be thrown out as fruit of a tainted tree because he was waterboarded 83 times or more. So he is tried by a military tribunal and he'll definitely be found guilty. Now, Khaled Sheik Mohammed is a genuine piece of crap, but does the USA represent the justice it so proudly declares in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all," or does it represent kangaroo Courts. You are in a good position to make an informed decision.
    it wouldn't be the first time that the gubbermint moved someone around just to steal jurisdiction from a court that was about to hand down unfavorable rulings for Uncle Sam to start the process over until they got a judge they liked.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by JUG View Post
    I recently came across this article of Samir Naji's 13 year incarceration at Gitmo. Obviously, this is a pretty convienent time for him to tell the tales of his cruel and unusual punishment. Which made me think; isn't that exactly what's being clamed here? Cruel and unusual punishment on United States territory. I've heard from my professor that an obvious consequence of closing Gitmo would be that if we brought these inmates back to the United States we would have to give them due-process. Well...I may be mistaken, but last time I checked, Guantanamo Bay is United states territory. I found it interesting how this man's story was written. Check it out if you wish to.

    Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames U.S. flag - CNN.com
    Prissy congresswomen who exploit this stuff and rail against the civility of this nation shame the flag.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Guantanamo is leased from Cuba, ergo not US Territory. You're in Criminal Justice so you must know that no evidence obtained through torture is admissable in US Courts. As an example, if they tried KSM, a genuine scumbag, in a Stateside Court all evidence would be thrown out as fruit of a tainted tree because he was waterboarded 83 times or more. So he is tried by a military tribunal and he'll definitely be found guilty. Now, Khaled Sheik Mohammed is a genuine piece of crap, but does the USA represent the justice it so proudly declares in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all," or does it represent kangaroo Courts. You are in a good position to make an informed decision.
    Giving rights to enemies now? Great idea...

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You contend it's US territory and Cuba says it's theirs.

    It's a US base not a territory.
    There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Really? This is torture:







    What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????
    It's pathetic that this is what we call "torture", and denegrates people who were REALLY tortured in the past, including those at Abu Ghraib where it went much further to physical forms and such. Peopel aren't dying from these techniques (at least they shouldn't, if they do, then people need to answer for that of course). Ultimately, we did get information from these sessions. I don't understand why this is any issue when our enemies are chopping off heads...

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.
    Actually, it would be German law that would determine his eligibility for German citizenship. He's an American citizen because his parents are American citizens.

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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    It's pathetic that this is what we call "torture", and denegrates people who were REALLY tortured in the past, including those at Abu Ghraib where it went much further to physical forms and such. Peopel aren't dying from these techniques (at least they shouldn't, if they do, then people need to answer for that of course). Ultimately, we did get information from these sessions. I don't understand why this is any issue when our enemies are chopping off heads...
    People literally did die... but ok. If it's not torture, you do it for a few months.
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by whysoserious View Post
    Really? This is torture:







    What kind of psychopath reads that and detracts... "only pornography"????
    Awful honking noises, too? Oh, the horror!
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    re: Gitmo inmate: My treatment shames American flag [W:508,759]

    Quote Originally Posted by Hamster Buddha View Post
    There is an important distinction there, and I'll give you an example. One of my best friends from high school was actually born at Ramstein in Germany. Now the question comes up, is he German (as he was born in the country) or is he American (as he is born on a US Base)? Turns out, he could actually apply for citizenship to both. I don't remember how he described the process, but at certain point, (or maybe he still does) have the option to apply for German citizenship should he choose. So in terms of the discussion, the legalities of US laws do cover these US Bases, at least for the most part.
    Military has their own law which is why the detainees are there there.

    I too have a friend who was born in Germany on a post. He said it was a bitch getting his American citizenship correct.
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